Look at Ray Ray Run

Maybe it'll end when you stop making these absurd water carrying threads over and over again.

Forgot all about this lol Then news broke that they were surprised those guys signed before the lockout so they shifted. Shifted to signing Harrison and Velasquez ?

I want him to be good to. I'd love to be wrong, but fact is he was a bad acquisition and an even worse contract pick up. We been hearing about kimbrel being on the move shortly for months. The market isn't there. Hahn blew it If the plan was always to bank on some contender having their closer blow out their arm in spring it was a terrible strategy. People that thought kimbrel would net a viable mlb player were always crazy

I honestly probably don't respond to 99% of James posts and he likely responds to me more than I do to him. Mostly because I don't disagree with him all that often. You're a victim of the moment and some recency bias here. I respond to posts, not posters. If you look through my history I respond 95% of the time when I disagree and to almost anyone. People just get very bizarrely defensive when i did it to James. Chitown a great example here. We been on the same page this offseason so in the boards eyes the beef is over. It's never beef for me, I'm just responding to posts regardless of who makes them. Edit: I've also been spot on about kimbrel from day 1.

Where's the eye roll emoji response when you need one.

It's a stupid ass policy. You can attend games but can't play in them. I don't care what beliefs on covid are, that policy is dumb af.

I actually like James, agree with him more than I disagree with him typically. It just so happens that when we disagree it seems to be more offensive than when I disagree with the rest of us idiots here. As anyone knows, typically if I'm responding to your thoughts and etc, I have enough respect for them to go back and forth on the mindset. I agree with James that ST is meaningless. I really disagree with them when it comes to how Kimbrel looked in general. Spring training is not about results, but it certainly is about approach and process.

This just isn't true though. ST results are entirely meaningless, but Kimbrel not being able to dominate bums with just his stuff, regardless of his control, is absolutely problematic. It's not as if he was some veteran trying to work on something new today; he was showing the same issues he had shown all second half last year and none looked corrected. I agree it doesn't impact his projections for 2022, but I think it does tell a tale about whether or not his stuff has bounced back. Also, calling a young players production who has never seen the big leagues meaningless also just isn't true. Young players more than anything else can show you things in spring-training. It's not just results driven, but regardless his approach and production certainly have meaning.

Jose Ruiz has about as much of a track record of success as a reliever as Graveman.

It's been said ad nasuem, but they signed one reliever coming off a career year with no track record in the roll to a multi-year deal that exceeded the values that better and more reliable arms got (like McHugh). And they signed another reliever who hasn't been pitching in high leverage and was injured to a multi-year deal when there were possibly better options for cheaper. Given how important every dollar seems to be with this team, they jumped a market to set the market and then almost everyone after who was comparable ended up signing for less.

Maybe we'll hear that they offered Joc more money pre-lockout but he wanted to wait and ended up taking less!

I actually think the Sox have been pretty transparent that nothing is coming and that they're done with acquistions via the FA market.

The White Sox bullpen will again rank in the top 5 in baseball in total games blown.

Yeah, everyone is ripping Jerry. I'm kind of over that at this point. Maybe one could argue Jerry is giving year to year budgets and not allowing multi-year allocations (seems unlikely given the RP contracts but who knows), but this is all on Hahn. He took 47 million dollars this off-season and pissed it down the drain.

Between just 6 guys: Hendriks Kimbrel Graveman Kelly Velasquez Bummer They have 49.83 million dollars tied up this year. If you had Reylo, it's up to 52.5 million. That's honestly amazing. The more amazing thing is I think there's a very good chance their best reliever in that bunch is the lowest paid one (Bummer), although obviously Hendriks is the favorite there.

At this point, if he's worth nothing it makes no sense to move him. It's absolutely outrageous how much money they have tied up in the bullpen, and if their plan was to spend money on the bullpen this off-season keeping Kimbrel was even more braindead, but it's obvious at this point the Sox misread the market (again, nice common theme here), and now they're stuck with paying 50 million dollars to their bullpen

See, while everyone else is angry and upset now I was over that weeks ago because I already knew the Sox would do nothing. I've also accepted that Kimbrel will be on the team; it will be another miss for the insiders. Picking up the contract never made any sense; picking it up thinking that it somehow had surplus value that would make him a valuable trade piece made even less sense. If they move him, it will be for nothing. Here's to hoping I'm wrong about both things, but I've accepted the reality long ago and see no reason in getting upset about it. Ready to hope our guys can overcome the ineptitude of the front office and play some great baseball.

Conforto has always been kind of up and down. Regardless, one thing that is undeniable imo is that he is better than what they have out there.

fathom, how do you even find these people lol? given the "influencers" that exist on WST, I pretty much just default that everyone there is pretty much a dope and none should be taken very seriously.

I remember when people used to say the Sox couldn't give out a big free agent contract because they were worried about signing their core, such as Giolito, when he became a FA soon. So much for saving that money to give to their guys, huh? lol

What? The NBA and NFL, two leagues that don't have exemptions, are much better constructed for the "good of the whole" than MLB. I don't think you seem to understand what an anti-trust exemption grants. Might want to read up on what it means before spewing off a bunch of nonsense. edit: the way MLB operates the MiLB for example would not be allowed had they not had an exemption and no one can argue that isn't a large worker base that is being greatly exploited.

If they keep 15 relievers, those 14-15 guys aren't going to pitch unless the game is well out of hand. If you keep adolfo and send him down later, after all other designations and claims, there's a better chance you get to keep him imo. However small that difference may be.

What's the 28th man on a roster ever really gonna do?

For me, it's the Mets. Degrom I think needed surgery and is not going to be 100% again. I think Scherzer gets old more quickly than most think; he started showing signs last year in the first half and then broke down late in the season. Marte is old and speed has a way of aging rapidly and unexpectedly. I hope Bassitt is good but there's always something weird about SP's getting out of Oakland. Also, linedrives off the face can impact a pitcher forever. I'll say the Mets succumb to injuries and the Cohen tax was wasted dollars on a team fighting for the final playoff spot at best.