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lol Yankees - 759 Oakland - 737 Seattle - 749 Toronto - 736 Cinci - 774 You literally cherry picked the two winning teams they struggled most against. News flash, EVERY good offense hits better against worse pitching. The Sox were fine against more than half the winning teams they played.

glad to hear you would rather have a worse offensive production but hit more fly balls. Thanks for checking in.

The Sox had a higher wRC+ than 5 of those 7 teams. Are you not paying attention? wRC+ evaluates overall offensive production. Ground ball rate evaluates.... ground ball rate. Hmm, I wonder what is more important and telling. Only in your mind I guess would it be better to be worse overall offensively but hit more fly balls.

There is not a single 4 game stretch of any baseball season that should be used to draw conclusions about a team's abilities. 20 straight singles is an aberration, it's not an indication of some wide ranging issue with an offense that was statistically productive all year despite missing four of their more important bats. Saying that the Sox nearly last ranked defense isn't the issue and instead the 3rd ranked offense is the most glaring issue is pure and utter nonsense.

Again, the Sox ranked in the top 5 of baseball all year in hitting with RISP. That is a far better representation of the teams abilities with RISP than any 4 game sample. The Sox were VERY good with RISP. People really need to compare their production to other teams, and stop solely watching the White Sox and thinking they are so bad at things.

Imagine saying this with a straight face: "It’s the #WhiteSox biggest issue. Not the bad defense, the archaic shifting issues or the lack of left-handed bats. It’s imperative that they hit the ball in the air much more often." The White Sox biggest issue wasn't that they were one of the three worst defensive teams in baseball; no... it was that they were only the third best offense in baseball. It's amazing people analyze and discuss this sport for a hobby/living and they have takes like this.

So Lance Lynn shouldn't have had a start either? Cease shouldn't have started? His problem was command, not that the Astros hit fastballs. Kopech was bad. Guess what? You still give the ball to your best players and hope for the best. All you can control is the process Caufield, not the results. If you didn't notice, every pitcher shit the bed.

The point remains. Jimmy claiming that is some glaring issue when the Sox outperformed the majority of teams on that list offensively just shows someone misrepresenting the importance of a singular statistic. The White Sox problem was that they were a poor defensive team (in part due to very poor positioning all year) and their SP - which was a strength in the regular season - let them down in the playoffs. The offense, all season, ranked near the top of baseball. Could they improve in some spots? Sure. Are they susceptible to right handers with sliders due to the make up of their lineup? Yup. Is there ground ball rate preventing them from being a good offense and the reason they're not in the playoffs? Absolutely not.

The White Sox were 3rd in baseball in wRC+. This is a classic example of confirmation bias in statistical analysis. The Sox had a better wRC+ than every team on that list but for Houston and Toronto. They're problem was not offensive production or hitting the ball in the air. If guys like Eloy hit less grounders would he have been better? Sure. Is the offense some glaring issue that needs mass overhaul and correction? No, if the Sox are 3rd or better in wRC+ next year they'll be very good. Saying those teams advanced in the playoffs because they hit more flyball is fucking hilarious and incredible misleading as always. People who look at baseball statistics have a difficult time understanding that correlation does not equal causation.

What was I wrong about exactly? And again pal, Hosmer wasn't delegated to the bench BECAUSE of injuries for the Padres. Hosmer - 151 games player, ZERO fWAR. That's Caufields guy; stans for him as if he was Frank Thomas.

I think someone else said it as well here, but the White Sox are absolutely horrendous at scouting MLB players. They buy high constantly; refuse to believe the production of a player who is aging and deteriorating actually means that; ignore the approach changes that will likely lead to poor production going forward; believe in small samples as representation of massive changes that override larger recent samples of production to the contrary; have no idea what they are missing from their lineup or team in order to acquire players that fit those shortfalls. It was always the process that sucked the most about this deadline. Investing huge resources into the bullpen is not something savvy teams do; wanting power from 2B and trading for someone who had shown a little power for 3 months of his career over the guy who has consistently shown power; ignoring RF as a glaring hole of need. Sure the SP let the team down, and was likely just some bad luck - I don't think the results are representative of what those guys are truly capable of - but the supplementing of this roster at the trade deadline was a disaster and is a further indication that when it comes to MLB scouting, this team is near the bottom of baseball. For as much as they've grown and improved on the developing and amateur side, their talent to make the right move with MLB players is greatly lacking. Sometimes I think the Sox do what the media think is great, while other great teams do what they know is great. The Sox let the narrative dictate their wants and needs - everyone in the media was pandering for Kimbrel, but Kimbrel was never what he once was. The Sox, on the MLB side, are not free independent thinkers and for that reason they failed again.

Say what? Kimbrel is not reliable. There is no guarantee he is anything but shaky next year. The guy should not be handed the closers job. I really don't understand this at all. What Kimbrel showed was not an aberration; it's what he had shown the previous two years before the 35 innings with the Cubs recently. The Sox having 32 million tied up in two relievers would be one of the dumbest decisions this organization has made and that is really saying something.

The irony of this coming from you is you hated the player who was different.

Anyone know how long it takes to get ALCS ticket refunds? Have my card closing in four days and am wondering if I should just pay it off in full or wait for the refund.

Yeah, Greinke really isn't any better than Keuchel at this point I don't think. Had a FIP of 4.71 and that got worse as the year went on.

I love how caufield pivots off one incorrect point and just pretends... well my point still stands with the other guy too. For the record, I think lux is overrated as a prospect and will not figure it out and become a good big leaguer.

So both this off season and last, the team who owned Craig would have to give him away for pretty much free just to shed his contract. Yet the sox somehow found a way to acquire by absorbing the entire contract and throwing in two good young players. Amazing.

Guy has seen back to back playoff appearances before 21. He's lucky as shit..

My point is even if they're worse, if they make the playoffs multiple times they increase their chances of winning any series or WS. They were outplayed, there's no debate there, but they could win that series at about that same 44% rate if they played it again. I think they need to get more people who work counts in RF and 2B; it's really important not to K a lot. The biggest progress this team made was Yaz and Robert cut their K-Rate's significantly. They need to do that as a team in general.

Yeah, and the point is the Sox have a much better chance than 20-25%. The series odds were about 56/44. If you thought there was zero chance this team could win a post season series you should have bet your house on the Astros. Make the playoffs as many times as you can in a row and that's how you increase your WS odds. Selling off all those pieces is a laughable answer.

The worst team in baseball would win a 5 game series vs the best team in baseball 20-25% of the time. Every time someone says "isn't winning any post season series" they just show how out of touch they are with statistics and odds in baseball.

LOL this is absolutely amazing. Sox are in the middle of their window with a very talented roster. Playoffs are a crap shoot. Season was disappointing but blowing it up is absolutely 100000% not the answer. Anyone stating so likes rebuilding and not actually winning baseball games which is just disturbing.

Greinke was absolutely terrible down the stretch. He's finished I think.

Who gives a shit if they wear chains?

You trust Jerry or Kenny to replace him with someone better? I don't.