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Lol you walk around calling people who disagree with you an ass hat and a moron; i call people buddy and pal and I'm the problem. You cant make it up.

Only at soxtalk is buddy and pal condescending Banter worse than getting personal with name calling. What a world.

Pal, if you cant handle condescending and sarcasm you should stop posting online. People are condescending and douchey to me everyday I post here, I dont cry and call them names. Tony, who is a moderator of this site, has done that to me multiple times. Does it bother me? No. Is it immature and embarrassing? I sure think so, which is why I leave my doucheyness to being condescending and sarcastic instead of getting personal with name calling.

The 1.5 was already guaranteed. The option for the nationals was 9 million. Yeah, they let go of him without thinking about spending big. Makes you wonder hmmm.

This is absolutely hilarious. Not only do I never call people names, such as prick, but I dont get defensive and start attacking the poster. I either reiterate my point or expound on it. Its weird that offends you. I also have people like you aimlessly, and unprovoked, call me something like a prick without crying and retaliating towards you because uh its not that big of a deal? Keep on being you though buddy.

The buyout was 1.5. They had to pay that amount regardless. The 9 million is what he'd cost them to retain.

It has some effect, sure, but it isn't the difference between signing a big free agent and not is my point. It's impact on overall spending has not been significant over the past 40 years.

You'd expect to see some correlation here then: this is $ spent per fan since 1980 The only correlation here pertains to league spending, not White Sox attendance, which has been pretty stagnant in general since 2007. For a comparison, here are the attendance numbers during that same period. Those two graphs show very little relation.

What are you basing this on? Attendance hasn't been the primary revenue source for teams in quite some time.

Wait, so it's the fans who cancelled their season tickets fault - due to the Sox hiring a drunk - that they didn't spend in Free Agency? Is that really the angle your going with? Or are you going with the even more offensive - if you don't buy season tickets you shouldn't have expectations or be allowed to call out your teams cheapness? As someone who hasn't posted about La Russa probably since the week or two after the hiring, I'm just trying to find the angle here. Do I get my money back for the past four years (prior to 2020) that I had season tickets and the Sox didn't even try to put a MLB team on the field? Or that doesn't count.... you can only expect them to spend if you, yourself, have season tickets for the season you expect them to spend. Man, it's hard being a Sox fan; you either support an organization that never spends and hires a drunk or it's somehow your fault they hired a drunk and didn't spend.

This was my entire argument, ftr so prepare for the flaming.

My question is, which one is Sandusky? That'll really decide it for me. ?

Strong trade bait lol wuhhhht? Eaton had that season in 2019; the Nationals had a team option on him this year for 9 million dollars (his buyout was 1.5 million). The Nationals, who are trying to win games, didn't pick up his 9 million dollar option. Then multiple teams were "in on him" and the best offer he could get was 7.5... but he'd become a great trade bait at 8 million next year after having the same year he had in 2019. You honestly can't make this shit up. Eaton was such a winner in Washington but the Nats had no interest on keeping him to be their RF'er for 9 million dollars; they now don't have a RF as of today.

Over Eaton's last 192 games - 2019/2020 - (for an aging player, that is certainly more relevant than his numbers in 2016) he's slashing 267/348/418 with a wRC+ of 101. He did this while playing below average defense. Over Pederson's last 192 games (for a player entering his prime years) Joc is slashing 236/327/508 with a wRC+ of 119 (18% better than Eaton). He did this while playing above average defense. I'm not a huge Pederson fan, and I don't love his profile, but those two players aren't all that close. It's not a very good comparison. Bizarrely enough they've played the same amount of games.

Which I still would think; which is how much worse I feel about this Eaton signing. Unacceptable they didn't spend the big money on Springer. I wouldn't be celebrating the Joc signing either, but it would be better than signing Adam Eaton that's for sure.

Cali you win; you're the man.

No, the difference is 10-14% offensively (between 2019 and 2016) which is significant. His offense regressed 10-14% and his defense regressed even more.

What same stuff? My point has always been that I would not be happy if the Sox filled their right field hole by spending on a below average right fielder. Seems pretty easy to understand. And no offense pal, but you seem to think I owe you something and I just want to let you know that If you were confused, I don't owe you anything. I also didn't call you a nimcompoop or any names; I presented an argument for why I wouldn't be happy with signing a below average right fielder to a contending team with plenty of $$$ to spend, and you started throwing out pointless hypotheticals that you felt were "gotcha" moments. I'd be happy if anyone on the roster didn't get worse; that doesn't mean I'm happy they're on the roster. That seems to be something you can't grasp.

Well, he was no where near a below average starter then; in fact, he was well above average. Let's all celebrate the Sox going cheap. It's very exciting. Go Sox! Joc Pederson was much better than Eaton.

"Most teams" have spent over 100 million dollars on a player> "Most teams" who are all-in during their competitive window don't sign below average players to be everyday starters in the field "Most teams" who have rebuilt and started to win have broke the bank in free agency to supplement their young talented core. And no, it's not a guaranteed upgrade over Adam Engel; who was already in the fold. And enough of this Springer stuff; how about Joc Pederson? He's much better than Adam Eaton too and he wouldn't break the bank either. People wonder why Jerry is cheap; because Sox fans would buy a Yugo and a couple weeks later they'd be telling their friends it was no different than a BMW. Oh, and PS: Cali has Eaton batting 2nd.... that seems like a pretty important player.

I used bWAR as the end all? Try reading the thread again, pal. How many more ways should I Break it down for you to help you understand that Eaton was a below average right fielder in 2019 and no Sox fans should be thrilled with having below average position players when they have a below average payroll and had plenty of money to spend.

And Cali of course misphrased the question, which is even more obnoxious. Would I be thrilled if Adam Eaton played 151 games and was as good as he was in 2019 - sure. Because he's likely worse now. So i would be happy if he was as good as he was when he was 30 and played as many games as he's ever played in his career for the most part. Would I be thrilled as Sox fan that Adam Eaton was the right fielder? No, because the production is below average. That was the entire conversation, but this guy loves putting words in my mouth; it's his favorite past time. Have a good day, hope you get the affirmation you seek buddy.

That wasn't the conversation, and I don't need to adjust my expectations for a position because the owner is cheap. I don't expect a team trying to win a title to be thrilled with signing a below average starter in free agency.

jeeze... at creating another thread for this conversation. My goodness people really need to feel that their opinions have been validated by others. Weird that Sox fans are thrilled to have a below average player in right field again... during a year when they're competing. Set that bar high, Sox fans. That's how winning organizations succeed - signing below average starters in Free Agency. People thrilled with having a guy who would rank in the bottom 3 of nearly every offensive statistic among right fielders in baseball lol... all while playing bad defense.

Who said to only use WAR? It's certainly a good baseline; do you have a better publicly available tool we could use? Oh, maybe counting stats like Stolen Bases; oh boy, that sure seems like an impactful number. Or maybe we could celebrate those 15 home runs, which in 2019 ranked him 26th of 28 qualified right fielders; it was better than Leury Garcia at least, yay! Oh, but maybe he's just a doubles machine... so let's check out his ISO, which ranked - you guessed it - 26th of 28 qualified right fielders. But his OBP was high so surely he was near the top in wRC+ because walks are important... oh wait, he was 20th among 28 RF'ers behind Avisail Garcia and Cole Calhoun. If you're taking on such a below average hitter, I bet he's a great defender; oh man, he was actually 20th and 24th out of 28 RF'ers in perspective defensive valuations. He must be young with a bright future... oh wait, he's 32 and was declining in 2019? You don't say. By all means, please recommend me some numbers we can use that compares Eaton to his peers that discredit the fact that he's a below average right fielder. Maybe your eyes? What else you got for me? I was told I would be thrilled to have that bottom tier right field production in 2021; that seems weird. I usually set my expectations above being bad. Or I guess we can just say he's a big upgrade without actually showing that. I won't even look at last year because it was even worse than that 2019 season that Sox fans would be "thrilled" to have. Sorry that I won't concede to some fantasy that Adam Eaton is a big upgrade because he played a few good games in a World Series. Please though, discredit everything I said with your evaluation skills.