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? why do people spread twitter rumors started by randoms with 8 followers? there has never been a single person who is close to the sox or situation that has ever said he might quit.

Don't mistake it; they both lied to the team. The difference was Plesac got caught by a monitor and Clevinger somehow didn't.

? Nice video, Zach. Never forget! Although I think the Indians know Plesac isn't as good as he'd been.

Agreed, and while everyone should take it equally seriously I don't think it can be overstated that Tito has heart problems and they have a SP recovering from cancer.

guy hasn't thrown strikes since he was 12. Sox don't need another guy with zero command. He makes Cease look like Greg Maddux.

The problem with this is Cease doesn't need to be as good as Lynn in one individual season; not even close. Lynn has 1 year + 1 month left of control. His value is projected around 4-5 fWAR. Let's give PV (Present value) fWAR an increase in value of roughly .4 times - just because the Sox could technically win this year with their roster. That means, Lynn's fWAR is worth roughly 7 fWAR on the high side. He's making roughly 12 million over that time; a nice 1.7 million per WAR. A heck of a bargain. Cease is projected to be woth 2 fWAR next year and .3 the rest of the way this year. Putting his PV at 3.22 fWAR at a cost under 2 million. .62 million per fWAR. Obviously we need to give greater weight to the 7 fWAR over the 3, but the value in their deals aren't that far off. The major difference is while Cease has 3.22 fWAR in PV, and Lynn has 7, Cease has roughly +9 addition fWAR in FV. Putting his entire deal at 12.22 fWAR compared to Lynn's 7. Even with the emphasis on PV, there isn't enough value difference between the two to warrant even a straight up swap IMO.

Nice depth piece.

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Mike Trout isn't producing enough wins? What are you even talking about.... Mike Trout is a bargain. I don't know what you can't grasp about that. He's going to make between 4-6 million per WAR (estimate) over the life of the deal. That's a great contract and one any team could take on. Comparing Trout to Pujols and Upton. WTF Rendon has a 179 wRC+ and nearly 2 WAR in 26 games. He's certainly not a bad deal at all at this point. Obviously it's very early.

The Sox talent of the future, for the most part, is already here. Vaughn, Stiever... and the rest of the lot are just pieces. If you want to take Vaughn out, fine.... But there isn't much depth the Sox are relying on after that.

Mike Trout is worth 600 million. He's underpaid. I would trade every single non-big league player for him.

I think the Indians are in a tough spot. They've made it very vocal and public that they can't trust them and that players don't want to be around them. That hurts value regardless of what we think. Plesac has a better chance of coming back; he told the truth at the start (although he was caught red handed) and then took a car back and etc. He's from the area and could argue that it was alapse in judgement. Clevinger lied to the team, traveled back on the team plane putting everyone on the team at risk, and then didn't come clean when confronted until later.

I don't think Clevinger is going to age very well.

I would trade every prospect in the system that isn't on the team for Mike Trout yesterday.

I've got to think Clevinger and Plesac are on their way out. Maybe not Plesac because he might be young, but I just don't see how those guys go back into that locker room.

Hmmmm, I believe there has been a poster here trying to explain this and being called a shill for Renteria over and over again. Oh wait... that was me.

Could they use the PTBNL angle? You technically can't trade 1st round picks within 1 year of drafting them either, so you just trade him as a PTBNL.

ahh, this seems possible but when someone brought up the dodgers to rebut his analysis on the Padres being the team to beat, Caufield didn't say "ahh you're right." He instead went on to call into question how good the dodgers actually are.

Yes, I do find it ironic that those who are most critical of Rick and the team (that tweeter and Soxmachine in general), are also people proposing hilariously bad takes like the ones above.

Gallen was the 17th ranked prospect in the Marlins system last year. He has thrown 116 big league innings and he's been better than many expected, but he likely isn't more highly regarded than Kopech alone.

There's a lot of people saying it's not a great idea, but they are floating other bad ideas. Here's one for example: This guy would like to trade Kopech, Cease, Stiever and Thompson for Zac Gallen.

How do you know how good Gavin Lux is going to be? Who says something like that with certainty? He's the #2 prospect in baseball; it's no dumber than all those people saying Robert would suck and be a bust. What leads you to believe that Gavin Lux is going to play 1st base? Last year, Lux didn't play a single play for the Dodgers anywhere but 2nd base. You are somehow saying the Dodgers aren't the team to beat in the NL because they have been good before this year. It's pretty funny.

Yup, the discussion - which has gathered some steam - revolves around him claiming teams that are trying to win do things like that.... my response is no, they absolutely do not. No team that is coming into a contention window trades from the MLB roster - a young talented player who was a part of the future. All that does is open a hole and put someone else in it. You are supposed to build around these guys by trading MiLB assets and signing FA's. Between southsidehitman or whatever site it was demanding the Sox shop Anderson for a SP, and now SOxmachine stating we should trade an MLB SP for another MLB SP who has 7 years less of control; in doing so, you also need to trade your young arms who could fill that hole once Lynn leaves. These ideas of trading MLB talent while trying to compete are just so irrational.

I just want to say, good young teams that are coming into their window of contention DO NOT trade from their young core to acquire assets to compete. Any trade involving a MLB staple is not a reasonable trade IMO

The comment from Josh was that Cease reminds him of 2018 Lopez, so we should trade him for Lynn.... even though Lynn is going to be 34 next year in the last year of his deal. Thanks but no thanks.