Look at Ray Ray Run

I'll edit and say Matt Kemp may be worse. The other players that grade out with Nick: Choo - DH JD - Dh Trumbo - DH Khris Davis - DH No one would be arguing for the above to play RF for the next 6 years. The scary thing is those guys were towards the older years of their careers (sans Davis). Castellanos is young. Imagine how bad its gonna get

Based on what? This is reality. Hes been the worst defensive player in baseball since he entered the league.

Castellanos is every bit as bad as anyone who has ever played MLB outfield. Maybe, just maybe, you could argue han ram in left field or man ram in left field in boston. Maybe. Carlos lee in his milwaukee days too.

So hes got about 6 months before his defensive decline begins. The good thing for him is he's already at the bottom so how much worse can it get?

He was moved from 3rd where he was historically bad to RF where hes been historically bad. He's 29 years old and defense ages faster than offense. If you're signing Castellanos you need to accept that hes one of the worst defenders in baseball. If you're banking on him improving at 30 you're going to be disappointed moreso than not.

My point is your 4th outfielder needs to be able to play every position. Ironically enough I'd like engle more as a 4th outfielder than Mazara. Obviously I like mazara significantly more as a starter.

Yeah, as the DH... which he shouldnt be paid 80 million to do is all I'm saying.

Using 2 months of defensive metrics to say a guy is different doesnt really work. Hes been the worst defensive player in mlb baseball. He doesnt just struggle in one year - he struggles in them all.

Of course they planned on mazara to play regular right field. Again they're not trading an asset and paying a guy 5.5 million to be a back up 4th outfielder who cant even play CF.

I think giving up any prospect with value for a fourth outfielder when you already had leury would be a horrible plan.

How embarrassing is this for that organization? What a joke. Crying poor and moving your HOF caliber player while bringing in record revenues. Jaysus.

haha OK, 130. Doesn't really change the dynamic for me much.

Boras absolutely plays the media; do you think he lets Heyman fist his ahole every night for fun?

He's a 3 WAR bat IF he plays RF. He's a 1.8 WAR player if you pencil him in as a DH.

Yeah, I agree with this; as I said, I'd give him a high AAV contract for one year to prove his improvements were actually real. The Cubs can't even sign guys for 5 million let alone 20 million. The Giants are always interesting as they may just do it, but man it doesn't make a lot of sense to have him play RF in that ballpark. The Rangers? They have 10000 outfielders already. Castellanos is really just running out of landing spots.

Yeah, but why acquire Mazara if you're not going to give him the opportunity to play nearly everyday? Castellanos would also be very expensive insurance for Mazara. I wouldn't be angry about this, and I'm beginning to think this team actually has a plan for once, but it just seems like a misuse of resources that could be better spent on better fits.

Yeah, and the counter to this is if Mazara is great and truly breaks out now they have two nice trade pieces (Castellanos and Mazara) to acquire another need.

Yeah, I should of said their excitement over the rumor. This feels a lot more like Castellanos agent worrying that the market isn't there (it was always hard to buy the Cubs as a suitor for example), than the Sox actually being involved currently. Without the Cubs and the White Sox, what is his market? San Fran? Am I really supposed to believe that the Giants think Castellanos can play in possibly the toughest RF in MLB?

The only way it would make sense is if they want to give Mazara a 1 year trial, and if he failed they released him and asserted Castellanos into RF - moving him back from DH.

We have people talking about trading Mazara for a RP. This isn't the NBA; the Sox didn't trade for Mazara in hopes of flipping him a week later. Sox fans seem uncomfortable accepting Mazara as the starting RF so they've convinced themselves that there's another move there - citing Puig and now Castellanos. The Sox traded for Mazara to be their every day RF'er; this is why I don't really even buy the Castellanos rumor. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. If they wanted Castellanos, why not just keep Steele Walker and not trade for Mazara?

oh, i don't think he would take my offer but that's what i would offer him. this market has completely cratered in MLB baseball over the last few years though. It took JD Martinez months to get over 100 million and it was only 1 team who offered it to him. Castellanos is no where near Martinez with the bat. Baseball doesn't pay guys like him like they used too. It's possible his market is dead.

Defense matters. Moustakas proved he can play 3rd and 2nd above average at the big league level. Castellanos hasn't even proved he can play the OF and may have a lot less suitors because of that.

Because his bat is no where near worthy of 60 million as a DH and his "defensive improvement" that is being cited by his camp is 2 months of volatile defensive metrics. As I said, he would have had the 7th highest wRC+ for a DH last year in the AL. If he can go out and show that his second half was real, he could demand a lot more money than he can demand right now. If he can prove his defense has actually improved (it hasn't, newsflash), then he opens up the NL market as potential suitors.

Yeah, this is my point as well.

Wouldnt give him 60 million. I'd give the guy 1 year 22ish million with a chance to prove his bat has grown before hitting market again... betting on himself pretty much