Look at Ray Ray Run

The corner outfield market is dead in baseball for mid-tier guys.

I added some names above to my post from a quick scan. I'm not in front of my home computer so I could not run all the parameters you requested, but I'll give it a try when I get home. Edit a few more names: Lincecum, Cain, Zito, Brandon Webb, Weaver.

I'll see if I can pull this out of all the data I have exported out - I believe I only have data from 2000-2019. The problem with using a memory of work horses if you tend to remember the arms that survived into their late 30's and not the ones that flamed out. For example, someone like Jon Garland would qualify under your innings set but you wouldnt have considered him - he was never that good but he ate innings until he was 30, had some good seasons sprinkled in and then was out of baseball by 32-33. Some other quick adds from a quick scan - Roy Oswalt, Javy Vazquez, Johan Santana, Jake Peavy, John Lackey, David Price, Dan Haren.

How much value did giolito have at the end of last year? Collins might suck but I'd rather be the team to figure that out. For some reason a lot on this board have soured on Cease too because he didn't dominate from day 1.

It would be absurd to consider trading Cease and Collins for one year of Mookie Betts at 28 million. My goodness. For the white sox, future WAR is worth more than present WAR. they could merely sign Mookie without giving anything up a year from now if they were that interested. It would be one of the most nonsensical trades in MLB history.

I agree, for the record. My contract to him may be a little high. It's really difficult to read his market or to see it because hes been very inconsistent. 3 years 36,000,000 may be high and he might be a 2 year 20 million dollar guy. I don't want puig, and think it would be a poor signing, but it's a very White Sox signing and they have liked Puig for a while. If the Sox have faith in their young starters, they can bypass the odorizzi signing, take his money and Puig's money and sign ozuna or JDM.

A couple pointers; I am obviously aggressive with Robert's projection but that is because I think his impact defensively and on the base paths will carry him to a 3 WAR season without any bat support out of the gate. If he hits at an 800 OPS clip, he's likely a 4 WAR player from day 1. I also think the extremely high floor on Madrigal means 2.5 is attainable from year one. My Abreu WAR is slightly elevated; I penalize 1st baseman less than fWAR does for their defense. I also think Abreu will spend some time at DH but we'll see about that. If the Sox want to sign Grandal, then I would move Leury or Engel out and put him in there - same thing with JDM. Obviously that would push payroll closer to 140,000,000 million but their win projection would go up to about 98. Outside of that I'm not too aggressive. I think Timmy will actually grow from this year, but projection wise I couldn't put anymore weight into this years performance than I already am. Moncada's WAR is reasonable, and I actually think I have undersold Kopech but it's because I do think the White Sox will take a slower approach with him.

So, I usually put together an off-season plan every year; store them, and evaluate them at later dates - I used to have dreams too! This is just one sheet from my 2020 workbook, but it sums up the 25 man roster, the payroll obligations, the potential signings. I want to emphasize this is a combination of what I "like" but mostly what I think is possible based on the Sox habits and tendencies in the past. For example, I have one with JD Martinez - which is what i'd like - and this one which doesn't include him. I'm not sure how this will copy and paste here so I'll paste a picture of the excel export instead:

By adding Rendon and Betts contracts you're adding way more risk than I think you are acknowledging. That said, I think we've all wasted far too much time on a scenario that would never happen. What I cant process is why you think that trade would be accepted by the Dodgers if there was a substantial edge to the White Sox. All things considered, trades need to be reasonably fair and fair value for Moncada would encompass added risk to an already risky filled rebuild. I like your outside the box thinking, I just am not a fan of the execution but its just my opinion - it's not some superior outlook versus yours.

The way I see it: Strasberg - not available, my prediction is the Nationals will rework his deal to tack on another year and he'll sign there instead of opting out. Bumgarner - not available; Bumgarner has made it very clear he has no intention of playing AL baseball. That leaves Cole and Wheeler. I think theres a chance Cole resigns with the Astros if they win the World Series. If not, they're less likely to retain him. I would guess some team, not a big three team, will overbid the market to retain Coles services - I'll say, 7 years 240 million. The White Sox will not go to that level for an arm and they probably shouldn't as they cant afford a miss of that size to an arm. White Sox sign Wheeler - 4 years, 85 million. If they whiff in Wheeler, I'll say they give Odorizzi 4 years, 70 million. If they whiff there, god bless us Sox fans.

Verlanders are exceptions to the rule. For every verlander there are 5 Felix Hernandez'.

He has said he has no interest in pitching in the AL so I don't think theres too much to worry or think about.

No one said it was, but the rebuild was kicked off by acquiring moncada. Now that its close to coming go fruition you want to trade him for more prospect risks. Also, why would the Dodgers trade all those guys if they were safer/better than Moncada? As I said, you can phrase it however youd like but it's the perpetual rebuild model. Always getting younger and accumulating more. At some point you need to move forward with what you have, not hit the refresh button over and over again.

I just don't agree with the strategy. You kicked off the rebuild trading an elite asset for 2 top of the line prospects. One of those prospects has now turned himself into a superstar caliber player - that's what you were looking for to kick off your rebuild. By kicking the can further down the road you're simply increasing your risk for no real reason. I like outside the box thoughts but this doesnt really belong in the "realistic offseason plans" and I actually don't think an analysis would say its expected outcome is better than the current expected outcome. You already moved 3 cost controlled top of the line assets to acquire younger, more abundant, assets. So far, it looks like those trades were a success. If you then move those cost controlled assets for even more you're just perpetually rebuilding. Its really hard to find stars in baseball; I wouldnt recommend trading them when they are still under control. Rarely in baseball do you get back equal value for stars when traded.

The perpetual rebuild strategy.

Joe Borchard was a draft pick, what does he have to do with any of this?

Fair points all around, and I do ignore. And I take a week or two off here and there. The negativity and victimhood attitude grinds my gears. I also understand the psychology of people being more compelled to talk about something they don't like/agree with than things they do. I have no problem if someone shits in one room of my house, but if they're shitting in all my rooms then we've got a problem. Every thread here about the offseason contains the same parroted negative nonsense over and over. We get it, move on.

Its entertainment. If a movie is awful I dont sit through it just because I paid to watch it. I leave. I was a psu fan. Then they raped kids, it made me really angry and i stopped supporting penn state. I actually appreciate reinsdorfs loyalty as a boss and how well he treats his employees - I respect a boss like that. I appreciated him being a pioneer in regards to race and other things in the baseball world. Anyone who takes sports so seriously that they take it out on their families need counciling, not a forum to vent on instead of abusing their family.

You couldnt pay me 10 million to start teheran in thr AL but I like a lot of the other stuff. Odorizzi and Ryu dont really belong in the same group as alex wood though, imo.

Only here is a positive and happy person the insufferable one. In my life overly negative people are the insufferable ones. Its fine to be critical. Its not fine if you feel the need to turn every single thing into something negative. Misery does love company though so the victimhood here by some posters is strong.

Criticize? Pal, when all someone does is parrot the same negative nonsense over and over its nauseating. Being critical is fine. Being preemptively critical of an off season that hasn't happened is obnoxious. I was critical of the miss on Manny last year, I made a couple posts about it and then I moved on with my life. If something makes you so angry that all you do is feel negative anger towards them with such frequency that that's all you post about, maybe you should root or follow someone else. If something makes me miserable I move on from it. I advise others to do the same because it's really annoying to listen to someone tell you how horrible and angry something makes them over and over when it's their choice to follow them.

Then don't be a Sox fan. Some white sox fans act like a woman with battered spouse syndrome. No one is making you follow or support the white sox. You're not a victim. You have a choice and no one made that choice for you.

George Springer has played over 140 games 1 time in his career. Please dont distort the numbers to include his one healthy year. Hes missed, on average, about 30 games a year the past 3 years.

Guy competed in the AL East. He can pitch against the best of the best and he's better now than he was then. I think wheeler's ceiling is higher but I wouldn't be upset at signing odorizzi. His health concerns me though.

Springer has been hurt 4 of the past 5 years.