Look at Ray Ray Run

The issue is that if they valued him at 22 million a year, then 24 is just the cost of doing business in FA. This is too close to excuse; unless they matched and Wheeler just wanted to stay in the NL and out east, there's no excusing it. I do admit that it's possible that was what Wheeler chose.

No, I think they could still have a great off-season, I just worry that if this was really "their main target and guy" that a 10 million dollar difference over 5 years is what cost him that it's really detrimental to the future of this team. It's the fact that it was such a small amount of money that cost them that makes it much worse.

Sox seemed to ceiling themselves at 5 years 110 million. Stone looks like such a dope as always too; says it's not about the AAV it's about the years. Well Stoney, he signed for 5 years and it was about the AAV. Nice call though big guy.

Yes, that's just fanbases though in general; the world doesn't revolve around pushing the Sox offer up higher. Yeah, waiting to see the details here, but it's much more embarrassing than Machado IMO. It's not as rage inducing but it's more embarrassing.

You could offer more money. It's embarrassing Jack. It didn't get to 6 years. It's not at 120 million it doesn't look like. Sox swing and whiff in embarrassing fashion again.

Yeah, say what you want about what he's really worth the Sox allowed the sentiment to be that they were in hot and heavy pursuit. Rule of thumb, if there's smoke there will never ever be fire for the White Sox.

Embarrassing if this is between 100-110. Laughable really.

Wheeler signs with Phillies. On to the next one.

Shhhhh, be quiet or Dick will get mad at you for pointing out that these "no one will outbid the Phillies" nonsense has been exactly that in the past - nonsense.

My entire point that you have been incapable of grasping is that none of this twitter shit means anything. You're a bit too dense to figure that out though, so in the future I'll spell these things out to you as to not offend you.

No idea why anyone listens to a word Heyman says; the guy is a mouthpiece for agents league wide. This has been well known for quite some time now.

Reds rotation is loaded; with Wheeler it would be one of the best rotations in baseball. The Sox need to offer the most money; not get cute.

The Bulls have not been been an average defensive team; they've actually been one of the three worst defensive teams in the NBA they just have been incredibly lucky because their competition has been shit and their expected numbers against are much worse than their actual so far.

Sox outplayed their Pythagorean by about 4 games - so projection wise it would have taken them to a 74 win team with Joc.

Wow, you don't say... the Phillies are in on "everyone" again. And no one knows.

Yeah, think he's going to ring chase the last few years of his career.

Hamels only wanted a 1 year deal.

Well the White Sox have been connected to exactly one tip top free agent in a decade and they didn't get him; so they have won a bidding WAR for a top free agent 50% of the time in recent history (Grandal). I didn't imply anything; I said the Phillies being "Front runners" means about as much as when the Sox were "Front runners." None of it matters until they sign, and the Phillies aren't some team that you can't outbid - as has been proven multiple times recently - regardless of whether the Phillies say they won't be outbid or not. It doesn't mean the Sox will sign Wheeler; it simply means the "report" this morning means very little.

Phew, dodged that bullet.

Cool Dick, this doesn't change what was said and reported and what actually happened; no matter how many times you point to other things, my point was they have been said to be front runners on a lot of guys they did not sign. That is, by definition, being blusterous.

Where does this say "All bluster" Dick? They were a lot of Bluster. Everything I said in this post is true; outside of my speculation in the final sentence. Said Philly was a lot of bluster - point to two exact cases of this happening just last off-season (Machado and Corbin). Dick says I'm 100% wrong despite those things literally happening. My goodness.

I said they're a lot of bluster. You're nauseating.

What does any of this have to do with the point I made? My goodness man, you are just arguing at this point to argue. All I said is the Phillies have talked a lot about not being outbid only to be outbid. That was an accurate statement. Again, move the goal posts all you'd like.

So last year, the Phillies didn't jump into the lead as the front runner for Machado only to not even beat the Sox 2nd place offer? Last year the Phillies didn't say they wouldn't be outbid for Corbin only to be outbid for Corbin?

I actually think Wheeler's ceiling is higher but I understand I'm in the minority here.