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You're my favorite poster sometimes. Contreras went on to play 2 more years in the big leagues. Dunn had an 800 and 762 ops his last two years. His historically bad season was his first season. Dunn was a bad signing, because Dunn sucked, but he accumulated 2.5 WAR his last two years with the Sox and so cutting bait after the -2.9 season would have actually probably been a bad idea. Rios lol. His final season with the Sox he had 4 WAR. He played two additional seasons after. Melky had an 800 ops 2.2 WAR final season with the Sox and played two more years in the MLB. Konerko was literally sent to the bench for his final season. Danks is a tough one. They kept thinking that arm would bounce back. This one could be argued. The guys who continued to play after the Sox really dont fit the argument being made about being so bad that no one would play you.

Agree and never any hard feelings. I enjoy hearing other views - as long as they're not "Anthony Benetendi would be the best hitter on the White Sox."

Who have the White Sox not cutbait on? What star player did they continue to role out for the reason you're claiming above during the middle of contending. What support do you have for that claim?

I'm not defending the deal. Again, I'm saying it's a slight overpay but it doesn't matter. That is my position and theres really no real risk/downside. People acting like the sky is falling are the people I disagree with.

A contending White Sox team will not roll out a DH opsing 620 given they have a better option. What I find hilarious about this is everyone says he'll regress with age - you said look at Steamer. Steamer works in an aging curve. He could continue downward, sure. But how does losing a bit year to year get you to a 620 ops in year 3? You cite these made up slash lines from air to support this claim that it was a horrible signing. You never wanted Abreu back in the first place. That's a fair opinion, and one you can state and support that but don't say look at steamer and then discard the fact that the system you wanted to use project this to be a net 1 WAR loss by using some fictitious slash line.

Ding ding ding. I've posted this 100 times. A 2 year, 28 million dollar extension is whatever. People getting up in arms about it makes no sense. Who cares? Fucking 2 years and 28 million. In 2022 that will buy you a utility player. The risk on that deal is so minimal.

It's not 18 million for the 10000000000000th time. No matter how many times people post it to be critical, the White Sox are paying Jose Abreu 14 million dollars in 2022. If 14 million dollars at DH is going to impact their ability to contend then they never stood a chance. If a 14 million dollar sunken cost is the WORST thing that happens to this team in FA over the next 5 years, then holy cow they did an incredible job.

Widget industry? I work in as about cutthroat of an industry as exists. What does anything you said matter? It doesn't. No GM in MLB gets to make every final decision for a ball club. Period, end of story. To call him a cuck because he didn't fight his owner about a signing is comical. No matter what the industry, the owner (CEO or whoever) has authoritative power over the executives underneath them. I can make as thorough of a case as possible for why I don't agree with a direction, but at the end of the day I'm not signing the checks so I don't make the final decision on everything. You made an immature distasteful post, that wasn't very logical, and now you continue to defend that post.

To act like their pay is similar is odd though. Abreu signed for 3 years, 46 million. Martinez is making 3 years, 62 million. Those two aren't all that close. There is a tier of pay between the two.

Go to bat? You think a guy is a cuck because his boss can make decisions he may not agree with? Hell, I don't have a ton of people above me for what I do and I run into resistance plenty. I present well thought out analysis, with endless amounts of support, for financial decisions and changes and maybe 40% does my plan become an executable reality. I have people above me who make decisions that I would disagree with, but that's the nature of the real world. Unless Rick owned the team, he would never have final say on every decision. Criticizing him for that is laughable. When an owner sets a budget that the GM didn't agree with, should he in turn leave because he didn't get to set the budget?

Hahn is a Cuck for allowing his Boss to make the final decision. Good stuff.

So he's projected to be worth 1 less WAR than they should expect and you're crying and whining about how terrible this is. Good stuff.

14 million guaranteed in 2022. No matter how many times you say it, he is being paid 14 million in 2022 and not 18 million.

There is a direct link between high turnover and consistent failure in professional sports. Professional sports gets turnover wrong. While you can have a situation like the Bulls where you reward toxic loyalty and that hampers you, but in general it is better to not fire everyone every three years. Continuity is valuable.

How is it a spin? He is being paid 14 million dollars in 2022, not 18 million. The spin is people claiming he's being paid 18 million in year 3, and that it hampers the flexibility. That's simply not true. His check will be for 14 million dollars, which in 2022 will be slightly more than a utility player will receive.

I've said repeatedly it's a slight overpay but should have no impact on their ability to compete or win games, and I am happy to reward people like Abreu as that's how business works in the real world.

So again, if 2 years 28 million is going to cripple this franchise or hamper them going forward then sustained success never ever stood a chance.

1 million dollars a year paid on July 1st from 2023-2026. The money absolutely should not be counted here. As I said, that's more of a thank you gift on his way out. It has no impact on the 2022 budget and certainly shouldn't impact the 2023-2026 budgets.

Yeah, because he's shown a lot of signs of being lazy. Work ethic typically is driven from an internal desire to be great at what you do; it's not typically driven by compensation. What a joke this post is. Again, you're absurd anti-Abreu bias is laughable. Goldschmidt was a better hitter than Abreu when he signed his deal, but he was only one year younger and he got 5 years, 130 million dollars. That equates to Abreu being worth about 50% of what Goldschmidt was worth. While Goldschmidt was overpaid, so this is an overpay for Abreu, it's not nearly as egregious as it's being painted.

A company man because I like Abreu and couldn't care less about paying him 14 million dollars in 2022 when that'll be worth about 11 million? If you were already giving him 18 million, and you're arguing that the additional 28 million and two years is going to cripple or hamper the organization than this team never had a chance of succeeding in the first place.

Yes, how dare someone reward an employee for doing everything right and working his ass off. In the real world, this is good business. In this world, fans get pissed that players aren't treated solely as financial assets. I don't. I would hate being treated like that. Yes, and it's not just that they brought these players in - it's that they care about their assimilation, and they work hard to make them comfortable.

If he falls off a cliff he falls off a cliff. It's much more likely a 31 year old catcher falls off than a 32/33 year old first baseman. There is risk tied to any post 30 MLB player, but I think the risks have been greatly exaggerated. I also think guys with his work ethic tend to have gradual declines. Konerko had 4 seasons in a row as bad or worse than the season Abreu just had before a rejuvenation his last three/four years. Abreu should feel more comfortable, and have less desire to "carry the offense" now that he is just a COG and not the COG. I wouldn't be shocked to see an uptick in production next year, honestly. I'll disagree with your next point; the Sox won't just play Abreu if Collins or even Sheets become a superior hitter.

They've had this inside track since Minnie; Minnie is like the Latin Jackie Robinson.

I don't really see how. Vaughn won't be up next year, so at the earliest he is up in 2021. No matter how well he hits, I think we can assume he'll spend at least one full year in the minors. If the White Sox didn't want to sign a DH this year, and wanted to see how Collins/McCann/Abreu/Grandal handle the position then this really doesn't change much. McCann is gone after next year. If Collins shows enough he moves into the back-up catcher back-up DH/1B role after next year. Abreu shifts into full time DH. Vaughn moves to 1st base. If Collins doesn't show enough this year, they move on from Collins and they retain McCann as their primary back-up catcher.

Agreed; winning is great, and fun, but winning with good people feels so much more rewarding. It doesn't define my fanhood, but guys like Timmy make the game more fun and my fanhood more enjoyable. #TimForMayor