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Uh Jack, it takes an incredibly rare and special player to strike out in professional baseball at a 3% rate. By all accounts with Nick Madrigal he's an intelligent hitter who doesn't chase a lot of pitches out of the zone. Honestly you're just making things up to rip the guy and creating scenarios opposite of his performance so far in his life.

Omg please stop. I surrender.

Jack has found a way to turn not striking out into a bad thing. This is truly amazing. Someone tell Jose Altuve and Michael Brantley to start striking out more! Anthony rendon too. They're doing it all wrong.

Jack, less strike outs has nothing to do with a lower OBP. OBP on strike outs is 0.0000 OBP on non strike outs is higher than 0.00000. That's why striking out less can not hurt your OBP. That is mathz.

What in the shit? Go search the MLb leaders in contact rates. You'll notice a lot of really great players at the top. Nothing says Madrigal swings at a ton of balls.

Barry Bonds struck out 41 times one year and had a .609 OBP. Barry Bonds broke mathz.

Reynaldo Lopez is an enigma.

It's math that striking out less leads to a lower OBP? Say what? You have to have poor plate discipline if you have elite contact skills? Say what again?

How does not striking out come with a low OBP? Maybe if it comes with zero plate discipline but that isn't a problem of madrigals.

On average, there's about 90-100 2.1+ WAR position players every year. Only about 25% of MLB baseball position players are average or better in regards to relation to replacement level.

Yes, it includes the bad picks that happen too. That's kind of the point being made.

Yes, the only way to justify those two picks is if they picked hall of Famers. Jack has said this like 3 times. It's more and more absurd everyday.

It's a promotion. Scouting directors make like $125000 a year to be on the road all year. This board is acting like it's a glory job or something. I view at as like an associate at a law firm. Work an ungodly amount for a few years and if you're good enough you get promoted to partner (aGM or etc) or you move on from them. Especially with a family.

This is where I'm at. Its vastly better than it was before, but it's not where it was in the late 80's and early 90's.

Amazing. And what I take away is that 4 out of 9 years he didn't find a single big leaguer and he was exploiting the draft back then making it much easier to find talent late. Man that 2011 draft before he left for the cubs was incredible though. Thankfully he didnt go to the north side one year earlier.

Yes, it is the most draining job In baseball imo. On the road 95% of the year. It can be brutal.

With Madrigal they did something that has never been done in baseball history. With vaughn they did something that hadn't been done in 2 decades and has only been done like 4 times in MLB history. I just cant agree with you saying these were obvious easy choices.

Its wrong because that's just not how baseball drafts work for the vast majority of MLB teams. Teams dont find 1-2 good players every year. If they did, every team would be good and filled with home grown talent. Youd be able to build an entire team nearly every 5 years from just drafting and youd never have to rebuild.

Idk what you guys are confused by. Drafting is all about comps and projection. When you do things that no one has ever done you are taking a shot and deserve credit. You think madrigal sucks despite a 172 wRC+ and it's because you're doing what everyone does - pigeon holing him because of his size. Yet you're saying they deserve no credit for not doing that. Kind of odd.

Not sure what you're saying come on too. People don't draft 5'6 2nd baseman in the top 5. You're going against the typical mold and taking a chance on a kid. Madrigal was the best position player in the draft for my money, but he didn't get drafted that way.

Say what? What is relatively good? These numbers are certainly outdated. I have the values of every pick somewhere - let me find it. 20% of 4th round picks are not relatively good unless relatively good is maybe reaching the big leagues one day.

But it's wrong.

This would make sense if Theo wasnt overspending slot heavily every year to get a top 10 talent at the end of the first round - whoever fell, theo would gobble them up and pay the penalty. The sox arent drafting lance Broadway's anymore. Theyve made significant progress with their draft strategy.

Not giving a guy credit for drafting a 5'6 2nd baseman with the 4th pick in the draft is nuts. Easy to call him the BPA as an outsider. Much harder to pull the trigger on a kid that fit absolutely zero molds of success. He went out on the limb there. Vaughn wasnt easy either as a RR under 6 foot 1st baseman.

And one has already reached the big leagues and the other two died. Firing a scouting director after three years would be like bringing in a new college coach and then firing him before any of his own recruits reach their junior year.