Look at Ray Ray Run

Sure, but the aging curve for guys like wheeler isnt great. It doesnt mean there arent the max Scherzer and justin Verlander of the world but they are few and far between.

Greinke just got traded for real assets. Nothing about his contract ever said dead money. Stop moving the goal posts. I said you didnt have to wastefully spend in FA to win a world series. That was my point. The Astros didnt do that.

With his velocity I think you're basically getting 3 years of + production from wheeler... with health risk attached to that. Year 4 would be blah and 5 dead. If you think 6 is a dead year too it's tough to give that money for 3 + years of performance.

Dick, how is this giving extra years and spending wastefully in free agency? I'll hang up and listen.

Yup. If it's under 5/110 the sox have no excuse. If its 6+ or 120-125, I get it.

If kenny says it, it's going down. Sounds like Phillies beat offer last night, have a day to counter and that'll be that. Sox decide how much their willing to push it today. If they set out to get wheeler and committed to.beat the market then nothing to worry about. If they had a valuation they were maxed at, phillies and reds could have beat it.

They certainly didnt trade for 6 years of them.

Lol people thinking the bidding process works like an Ebay auction.

What crazy, wasteful contract have the Astros signed?

That's not really how agents work. There isnt a buy it now button in free agency. Grandal sat out there for months and didnt get what he wanted. Him jumping at his offer isnt surprising.

For people who want a reason to remain optimistic... dont forget that absurdly dumb story by Boob yesterday where he, for no reason that makes sense, said the sox are willing to up there offer if needed.

Based on the failure of last year and the money invested in their roster. Reds still worry me more than anyone. Both those teams could go 6/130 which would simply be a bad contract.

How did they overplay their hand and how did they "let another team get involved?" Do you think they could force someone to sign?

I mean, if Ryu is going for 3/50 or 3/60, wheeler really doesn't warrant twice as much money. Great teams and organizations stick to their valuations.

Should of seen this coming after the arrogance permeating from the organization about this. They always look like doped when they start getting excited.

Sounds to me like Phillies went to 6. Sox should try to get creative - maybe an opt out after 3 years instead of going to 6. 6 years for a guy with his injury history and for a guy who really relies heavily on throwing 98 mph is pretty risky.

You dont have to be wasteful to win a world series.

This is pure nonsense.

The Jake Peter and the Josh Phegly outrage have been, by far, my two favorite White Sox fan overreaction of the past couple decades

It's not my money and I'm not responsible for the outcome, so as a fan who cares - I just want him. I think Wheeler up at 110 is the tippy top of his market. 125 is just too much past there if I was a GM/owner.

Castillo, Bauer, Wheeler, Gray, Descal would be a heck of a rotation in the NL.

After how much they just spent on bum Moutaskas, they make me nervous. They could be that stupid team that goes to some absurd level for wheeler. 6 years and 125 or so.

8mph difference is really all that matters. Anything between 8-10 is pretty ideal.

The weirdest tweet of the day and of this entire negotiating process for me was "Sox reportedly willing to go to 110" if pressed. What the heck kind of leak is that? Why would the Sox want Wheeler to know they'd go higher lol if they have the highest offer? Only reason it makes any sense - assuming it's not nonsense which is very possible - is that the Sox are trying to chase off other bids? Maybe? That's the only way I see that making any sense.

Sources: Sox offer Wheeler brothers jobs as consultants for the organization.