Look at Ray Ray Run

Yeah, Boras has worked wonders for moustakas. Boras loses sometimes. Bryce may be one of those times. I'd say Phillies go with about same as Machado.

Cant start the bidding there if no one is going there. Boras is in trouble with Harper. Teams seemed to value manny higher and he barely got 300.

Huh? You said they had not made a good first round pick since 1992. I corrected you.

Man.. when will people accept that the white Sox arent in on Bryce Harper?

I'm still waiting for someone to direct me to the huge stars aj preller has signed out of Latin America. I keep hearing about his greatness but I must have missed these outcomes.

No, my stance is that navarez is 27 years old and hes not going to become a great framer. The Sox developed him into a serviceable mlb piece out of nowhere really... and you want to be critical of how they handled him? The Sox have, once again, plenty of issues in development but Omar navarez wasnt one of them. I am of the belief that baseball is a game you figure out or don't - for most people. If you're learning fundamentals at the professional level you have other problems. An organizations job is to provide you with information imo - that's where analytics and development come in for me. Processing that information and accepting it is 100% up to the player regardless of how hard the coaching staff and front office push.

The white Sox think they can change you into a good framer. Fact is, some people can do things well and some cant. Training be damned.

It's just proof this post is nonsense. Sox turned navarez from a non prospect to a starting catcher. People will hate just to hate. Collins has supposedly improved significantly too. White Sox need to spend more on their analytical department but this navarez obsession is odd.

Sale was ok.

NotHahn has a source who is either lying or made up. If the White Sox were in on Harper (they're not) it would be obvious theyre telling everyone theyre out and keeping it close to the chest.. yet NotHahns source told him they are in - 100% going against the message the sox would be trying to send. So not only is it obvious they're out - they acquired 2 of mannys friends for God sakes and came up 50 million short - but I dont get why anyone would get their hopes up again. Philly will give Harper 280-300. The Sox wont. Unless you think they're so incompetent that they truly value Harper 30-50 million more over machado despite spending 13 million on his friends. The Sox are out on Harper. Boras wont accept less than 300 million. The Sox will not offer it.

Yes. They have given up undoubtedly. They are 100% out on Harper. Which is why Boras is in trouble because there's no one left. San Diego? Come on. Washington is out. Giants? No way 10 for 300 but I guess I said that before.

Harper is in trouble. Phillies didnt think manny was worth 300 million and wouldnt up their offer meaning they didnt think he was close. Do they really think Harper is worth 50+ million more? Boras might have fucked himself. Think its gonna take a lot of deferred money to get north of 300 million like he wants.

So now traded pieces are a part of the previous regime? My goodness the takes have been bad today. Where would any teams rebuilds be without prior resources? No where.

I listed this. Was simply bad luck. 4 of the 6 picked ahead of the Sox are damn good. No one picked after fulmer not named buehler is any good and buehler was late first round and wasnt considered to be a top 10 talent.

I've never heard anyone blast Chicago summers until this offseason.

What are you rambling about? Someone wants to cite Law as some authority in scouting when nothing he produces - and none of the hills hes willing to die on have proven to be correct. The only reason someone would cite him is to be even more pessimistic than before. You're the one who seems to feel some responsibility of defending Keith on a message board. Maybe relax?

If everyone sucks they'll suck.

What?

He was the fastest rising prospect in the country and 1-1 on many boards. Lock is a stretch by me, but he was a near consensus pick by sharper organizations come draft day. Bregman was the 2nd pick in the draft. Bregman was far from a star as a rookie too. White Sox have had some bad luck in drafts combined with being bad at drafting and you run into some shit. White Sox were going to take Buster Posey, but he went the pick before them. Sox get the 7th pick and stuck with Fulmer when Tucker, Rodgers, Bregman and Dansby were drafted in 4 of the 6 spots in front of them... and frankly, beside Walker Buehler (who wasn't picked until late 1st) there's no one you're kicking yourself for missing out on... unless you're an ian happ fan.

100% wrong. Most scouts gave Sale's slider a 60 or 70. Law gave it a 40 and said it was not a MLB pitch. The lower grades by some from Sale were due to injury concerns - Laws concerns were 100% stuff related. I have his scouting report saved on my desktop at home somewhere. I'll have to find it. It's comically bad. Law takes bold stances against the industry to look smart if by chance he's right. He's not some uber sharp scouting personality.

So Luhnow didn't use any of the players drafted prior to his arrival? That's weird... Altuve was drafted by someone else. Keuchel - drafted by someone else. George Springer? You guessed it, drafted by someone else. He hit on Bregman and Correa - Correa was 1-1 and a lock pick at that spot. Colin Mchugh? Drafted by another GM. Marwin Gonzalez? Same, drafted before Luhnow. So if you want to give Luhnow credit for the success of the prior GM, go right ahead. Has he made sharp moves? Sure. The Cole, Verlander and etc stuff all came after the Astros started to turn the corner and win games though. He didn't lock anyone up before the success had shown itself.

Wait, so the White Sox don't get credit for Sale, Q and etc development in the big leagues because it happened in the big leagues, but they deserve the blame for Gordon Beckham not continuing his development in the big leagues? Amazing.

Floyd had a 4 year stretch with a 2.2, 4.0, 4.1, and 3.2 WAR - he was far from "below average." He didn't sustain it after that for many reasons, but he was a - WAR player before he got to the Sox. You give the White Sox zero credit for things they do well. The worst part about the Manny thing is that your pessimistic bullshit can be taken as gospel to some again.

You're one of the dopes ripping the Sox young guys for not succeeding right away. Someone asked to name one rebuild that had a pitcher like Gio and a hitter like Moncada - struggles. I pointed to Baez and Keuchel. Seems to me they're pretty good comparisons but what do I know.

Uh no Caulfield, I'm getting that from his 5.2 ERA over his first 2 MLB seasons encompassing 240 innings - with WHIPS above 1.55. He struck out 38 guys in his first 85 pro innings and walked 39.