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7 and 10 million in arbitration aren't what they used to be in Arb. If Moncada is actually good he could easily go 15+. Lopez could easily get more than 10. Those were actually not optimistic projections - based on arbitration 2 settlements this year, if those guys are still in the league contributing all year those salaries are actually quite likely. If they're not in the league, the Sox will have to spend at least that to fill those holes.

Yeah, I'm not even counting the money they'll owe to young bullpen guys that will be arb eligible. It won't be a lot, but it'll be 3-5 million per if their any good. The Sox would be better off giving Manny the 32 million/per and then using the Harper 35 millionish to sign 2+ MLB players.

Arbitration won't be cheap in 2021 - assuming growth. If you commit 65 million to two players, you are capping yourself quite a bit. Let's say the Sox return to the days when they ran a top 5 payroll - you're still looking in the 170-180ish range. That would mean that Machado and Harper would be taking up 36% of the payroll, roughly, and they'd only make up 8% of the roster. Tim will be owed 10 million: Then you have: Moncada - Arb 2 (if decent, 10 million) Lopez - Arb 2 (If decent, 10 million+) Gio - Arb 2 (7 million) Rodon - Arb 3 (14 million+) Herrera - 10 million Nate Jones - 6 million This is 132 million and it is tied up in They will then be without a 1st baseman, without a catcher (let's assume Collins or Seby fill this roll, so we'll say 2.5 million at catcher). Robert will be on the books still as well. That means, between just the guys above, the Sox will have 10 players on their roster and 132 million in payroll - leaving them with about 50 million to sign/fill the remaining 15 spots on the roster - or about 3.3 million per player. The Sox would have zero wiggle room for failure by signing both.

Futures are pulled all the time. That market is irrelevant to this entire outcome anyway.

Many scouts say the #1 NFL comp for Murray is Baker. Just an FYI.

Yes. This times 1000.

The White Sox and their Front Office aren't even in Chicago. Hahn will be in Arizona tomorrow; they're not calling a press conference to announce a signing of Manny in Chicago.

Why do we continue to post fake twitter people?

eh, there's some decent smoke... reason i say that, is because every single indicator this week has pointed to the White Sox which is typically how these long drawn out disputes starting coming to light. JD Martinez is the example everyone is using and rightfully so. My confidence has moved from 80% to 100% that Manny Machado signs with the White Sox. Mainly because there are NO OTHER suitors for Manny. Lozano is desperately trying to get just some other reasonable offer and he can't. It's just a matter of time at this point; sit back and relax because Machado is going to be a White Sox and in camp within 5 days.

Personal? You've attacked the people of the USA and called people failures and losers lol. I said nothing of the sort.

Kiwi, you seem to have a lot of pent up anger and absolutest views on society and the people within it... I'm sorry you're so angry, but here's to hoping you get it all out one day. In the meantime, you can go ahead and cast judgement on anyone and everyone you please with ignorant views and I'll just go ahead and ignore them going forward. Any other erroneous facts you want to spew, someone else can call you on them. Now Australians just work better; which is something that would be impossible for you to measure but whatever.

Another erroneous "Fact" form Kiwi. American's work longer hours and more days than Australia and most developed nations.

There's a large portion of this country that can't even get cable internet. I have already shown the statistics stating that Australians make more money. Undeveloped? This would be like saying the US is undeveloped because large portions of the west are undeveloped. My goodness. Have a good day.

Education is something that everyone deserves though and the more educated people are, the better the world in general. It's an investment in advancements and futures - not everyone with a comm degree go on to work as a Barista - just as not all pre-med kids become doctors. You can't withhold opportunity from those kids, even though I agree with you. Also, the subprime mortgage lending was much more dangerous because you can default on those loans; as I said. Student loans can't really cripple unless unemployment surged to levels that would cripple the economy anyway. The big problem with student loans is the money it takes out of the economy from young people who can't buy homes, cars, condos and other big purchases with that burden.

Australians have a higher average household income than the USA. But OK... The US unemployment rate is artificially low for two big reasons: 1. The sheer amount of people who dropped out of the workforce entirely and aren't recorded. 2. The US has become a service industry. Driving for Uber/Lyft, delivering food, working as a server and etc at a restaurant.... it's not exactly an economy with a lot of room for upward mobility - hence the middle class stagnation over 4 decades. It's amazing that you have it all figured out and you don't even live here. Truly amazing.

Manny is from Miami; that's the 305.

Content working dead end jobs? My goodness. It's called bills and a lifestyle; family, education, and a home aren't free bud. Once again, you continue to act as if you can get a job in a high earning field by browsing the internet for free courses. Those credentials will get you laughed out of any hiring managers office. College is as much about education as it is networking too; good luck meeting people at free online courses. Good luck beating out candidates with Ivy credentials and etc.

Let me know how you get a job with your education listing being as follows: Codeacademy Khan Academy Believe it or not, but hiring managers aren't exactly blown away by those credentials.... and I'm pretty sure you will be removed from any candidacy list that is withered down by machine scanning. At least with coding, you can either do it or you can't. Not much else to it.

The government would be attacked equally so if they denied student loans based on majors and told only certain kids with certain career aspirations that they could get the opportunity. Even though I agree that it's reckless lending, it's also not their place to discriminate loans for education based on majors - however damning and telling the earning potential is for certain ones.

There are many countries in the world with a better quality of living than the USA, right? It is not easy mode either. I honestly have no idea where you get this type of information. Middle class wages in America - when accounting for inflation - have been stagnant for nearly 4 decades. There has been no economic growth for the vast majority of American's over a 40 year window, while a very select percentage have seen their income grow by more than 3000%.

Yes, I understand that but people need to understand that it's still an investment since there is no collateral or income; unless you consider a lifetime of wage garnishment as the collateral.

By the way, comparing loans you can default on to a loan you cannot does not really work. The bank isn't investing in you for a mortgage. The government is absolutely investing in you with a college loan because they are giving you a loan with no real income or collateral being held.

I have no issues with tax dollars; they are a necessary evil. I just want them to be appropriated properly. I just find it ironic that you judge people of less fortune when you, yourself, depended on others to pay for your education. Others aren't so lucky for that to be an option. You think it was hard work that got you where you are, but would you be there if you had to pay yourself? Why didn't you work hard - outside the military - to pay your own tuition? Why did you chose a route in which tax payers pay if it's all about how hard one works? I grew up in River Forest - struggling is not something I have personally endured... far from it, but I have met and worked with people of all walks of life who did not have the privileges I was given growing up - a great school system, parents that could support me to the point where that never was a concern for me, and supportive parents who pushed and motivated me because they could afford Montessori schools, great child care and etc. What you fail to understand is that those are huge benefits, and judging those who don't receive them is naive. When you are worried about whether or not your mom will eat tonight or have enough food for you... worried about whether you can walk to the closest place with wifi because it's night time and dangerous... maybe then you'll understand that obstacles can deter a childs path to success much easier than adults - who themselves are already easily taken off task. Children that have to worry about every thing in their lives - unable to simply focus on school and friends etc - are going to have a harder time achieving the goals that someone without those speed bumps has. It's just a fact of life. The whole... work hard and succeed thing is obviously nonsensical. It's why parental income is correlated so heavily to childrens success.

Yes, it is a cash grab that also increases the education level of the country. In no way was I patting the government on the back for this; it's merely a reason they will use to rationalize the loan offerings to people without incomes. It is viewed as an investment.

No, no bet with $200 limits and a 40% hold has a decent amount of actual sharp money in there. Any market that can be influenced dramatically by a $400 bet is not a market that is heavily invested nor is it one that can properly predict anything.