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It is scary. You are right - whatever Gallas promotes, that becomes our weakness.

Now you move into the totally ignorant stage. AIDS is a disease that strikes everyone. It just happens to have been introduced in the US through discovery in the male gay population. However, it is an equal opportunity disease and spreads quite nicely amongst heterosexuals. Where you think the babies born with AIDS are coming from, Mr. Biology? In fact, far and away the safest form of sexual activity vis a vis aids is woman on woman sex. So lesbianism is good and healthy! But Mr. Biology, you might look at the rest of the world where AIDS is ravaging whole countries via heterosexual trasmission, which is how it originated.

There is nothing to deny because you are flat out, absolutely wrong. Each person's sexuality and orientation is a gift from God, and is good. You can repeat your statements over and over and say they are truth, but you are wrong, just wrong over and over. Live your life as is right fior you and let others do the same for their own selves. What destroys is hate and repression and judgmentalism. You are the agent of destruction in your rigid hatred. There were those in previous years who insisted over and over as truth, saying it was God's own truth, that the civil rights movement destroyed society and the way of life. BMR my Bronco friend, you are free to believe what you want. You - and I say this seldom to people - are totally wrong on this. Just simply wrong. And that this has given opportunity for eloquent posting from many posters who have made positive affirmations on orientation issues is a blessing and it has been touching to read those.

good post, my brother!

As you all may know, the University of Illinois ranks below Ohio State and Michigan State as schools that I really dislike - I have even traveled to Champaign just to see the Mighty Blue crush the orange in the rinky dink stadium with fake turf and the worst restrooms in the Big 10 - so it makes no difference to me who coaches Illinois basketball as long as that team cotinues to underacheive. (1989 - NCAA Final Four - Michigan takes out Illinois on its way to winning national title; Bo Schlembechler - then AD - gave a pregame speech before the Illini game which was, in its entirty - "Remember, it's Illinois." That is how we feel about Illinois.) So that is said to show I have no bias here. Illinois got itself a good coach, I think a very good coach, in fact a better coach for the long run than Self. The backwards movement of Illinois in the NCAAs cannot be denied. Meanwhile Weber has been bringing a gutsy, well prepared team into the NCAAs. Give him the tools that Illinois has to offer, he will do very, very well. BFD he came from a small Div I school. That is where coaches come from. Illinois did alright on this one, and this guy might just stay and build a winning program rather than use you and lose you as the last two coaches have.

Molto.. I DO NOT think you are bashing anyone. Please do NOT think that. agreed, very much agreed.

that's ok, they got Clayton

agreed!

flattery gets you everywhere. done!

While I think a grown man can change his mind as long as he has one, that we need to start change with the next generations I do agree with. How? I don't know all the answers, but one way is by acknowledging Jones' words cause a lot of pain to people. Other suggestions, I am really open to, because I don't know how to promote change. Your point about not talking about something that others don't want to hear - I see what you are saying here. You never really want to get me going on Eminem - I say a lot less here than I might otherwise about why I love his work because I know that no one here really wants to hear it. But what is cool is that I have my Em avatar and no one hassles me for it, and those who dislike his music don't get hassled by me for it, and others can post their heavy metal or whatever musical signatures and avatars and everyone accepts everyone without putting them down. That is all I ask of Todd Jones.

You know what, I used to feel the same way... then I figured out I liked boys. I work and am not totally out. Do you know how much it sucks day in, day out to not be able to talk about what you did over the weekend with your partner of three years because you're afraid of what will happen if someone finds out you're gay? You're right being gay shouldn't matter. But it does. I hate the fact that I have to watch what I say because in Michigan, like 47 other states in this country, you can be fired for your sexual orientation. So when assholes like this say and think things like this... it makes it harder for gay people to be honest about themselves to themselves and other people. So yeah, it matters. Yes, you are right. It does matter. It matters a lot. I really appreciate your honesty. And everything else you say - I am with you all the way. I know exactly what you are talking about, all the way to the pain of being unable to say anything to the threat of job loss in Michigan and 47 other states. Right now I feel very close to you because I know just what you are saying.

Molto, comparing things with gays to terrorists says a while lot that I am very uncomfortable with. Molto, what is this story - is it a gay player who says look at me, I am gay? f*** no, man. It is a straight guy asked what he would he do if he had a gay team mate. A true team player would say, "my team mates are my team mates and that is all that matters." No, it is Jones who responds with hate. It is not gays seeking attention - it is a homophobe taking yet another opportunity to peddle hate. This is nothing more than hate speech. This is no triumph over being pc. If a player said, I don't want no n*****s on my team, would that be ok? What about, I don't want any blacks, any African Americans, I want an all white team. Would that be wondertful non pc sppech or hate speech? The same is true with this issue. I don't want to f**gots or fairies or fruits or queers on my team - that is hate speech. And again, this was not a gay person saying I'm out, this is a straight person who could have said "dont matter to me" instead going out of his way, taking the extra trouble to say something hateful.

yeah, and I answered it - didn't you get it yet?

that's not the question. The question is does the person who is gay have to hide - because of fear.

north of where I live we have miles of osprey nesting sites. They are magnificant birds and the unique nesting behavior is what makes this incident more disgusting. An osprey would be (pardon the phrase) a sitting duck in that it would stay in place to protect its young. Being killed while protecting one's children - that is how this bird died. opsreys]ospreys

I don't give him any credit - bigotry is not something that I consider a virtue or triumph over "anti p c" - it is just simple double standard bigotry, and as you say, baggio, he is probably repeating the same s*** he has heard all his life. When do we break the cycle though? How? How do stop making it acceptable to be anti-gay? Baggio, if the whole world had your attitudes it would be a much better place. There have been gay athletes in sports from day one. It remains hidden because of the hetero jock macho atmosphere and the hatred that is still out there. The first out player will have to be a Jackie Robinson who can put up with great verbal abuse from other players, and bigoted fans. And meanwhile gay teens have high suicide rates and drinking and drug absue problems because they strughgle with who they are in a society that condemns. It is unaccetable to me any longer to accept these statements by Jones because it reinforces something very negative. It is ok to be gay. It is not ok to be a bigot.

double stanndard - a hetero can f*** any female in the world, including other players' ex's and what not, but a gay guy can't have a date? I am not picking on you baggio - I know what you mean - but the question, who has the problem? A gay player has every right to a life just as much as any other player.

and he says that someone else would have to hit 50 home runs or win 20 games - I just looked up his stats and he is just an average player - what a double standard - but then what would one expect -

Todd Jones is an asshole.

somehow Harold always seemed so quiet to me that I cannot picture him as a coach - and of course I could totally be wrong on that. So I am asking those who know him or have watched him through the years: does Harold have a coach's temperment? Is he the teacher type? And as far as that goes, I'd have the Sox hire as many hitting coaches as necessary. Why the hell not have 2 or 3 hitting coaches? Different players respond to different people better and I am for whatever works here to get our bats going.

I'm not so sure that this is a good question. Why contemplate a fire sale now? do you all buy caskets when the baby is born? maybe this is an intellectual game for some - but it just seems very early in the season to be thinking that way maybe it's just me

I tried to move BMR's thread titled Brando/voodoo/dima/justjim/etc to the off topic forum and I messed up somehow and deleted the thread - I am sorry and I apologize to you both. For everyone else: BMR asked where Brando/voodoo/dima/justjim/etc was, had't posted lately, and brandofan replied, right here, 2/4 ain't bad.

I'm with you - KC lost so we lost no grpund - since we are going to lose some, better to do it when we lose no ground

no

Sox fans are classy in that we generally respect players who have left us - the tribute to Robin Ventura a case in point- and fans have been kid, Brooks Fordyce still get a smattering of applause - we generallyare good about former players and then get on with cheering against them without rancor - one of our classiest attributes