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What the Sox need to do is catch Zavala with Giolito and Cease (move the rotation so that they are 1 and 3) and stick fWAR with Lynn, Kopech and the scumbag. Let your starters be comfortable with their preferred catcher. Grandal is subpar at every aspect of catching but framing. Lucas and Dylan can't be confident Grandal will catch their best pitches which may break in the dirt, and thus have to hold back everytime he is behind the plate.
Dylan Cease Catcher Splits (OPS Allowed):
- .524 Reese McGuire 6 Games
- .547 Seby Zavala 23 Games
- .728 Yasmani Grandal 40 Games
- .613 James McCann 37 Games
- .665 Seby Zavala 22 Games
- .731 Yasmani Grandal 30 Games
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1 minute ago, caulfield12 said:
Predicted start time yet?
Just the 835-845 pm prediction by some meteorologist online?
Since Ray Rainer's retirement, the only two meteorologists I trust are John Coleman and Mike Trout.
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By Jeff Cohen 5/8/23
QuoteRick Hahn isn’t getting much love these days but early returns suggest he did at least one thing really well in 2023. Thanks to Hahn, the Triple-A Charlotte Knights is home to ample roster depth for his major-league squad.
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Ha Ha, the Sox were the net beneficiary of Manny Gonzalez’ bad umpiring last night.
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MLB Records and Run Differentials through May 8th as the MLB reaches the 2/9th of season mark.
Winning Percentage Over .500 Under .500 / Team / Run Differential Positive Negative
- .806 Tampa Bay Rays +118 AL East (1)
- .686 Atlanta Baseball Team +56 NL East (1)
- .629 Baltimore Orioles +26 AL East (2)
- .618 Texas Rangers +86 AL West (1)
- .600 Toronto Blue Jays +20 AL East (3)
- .583 Los Angeles Dodgers +37 NL West (1)
- .583 Boston Red Sox +25 AL East (4)
- .583 Pittsburgh Pirates +20 NL Central (1)
- .571 Milwaukee Brewers +23 NL Central (2)
- .571 Arizona Diamondbacks +13 NL West (2)
- .555 Los Angeles Angels +14 AL West (2)
- .543 Minnesota Twins +26 AL Central (1)
- .528 New York Yankees +8 AL East (5)
- .514 San Diego Padres -4 NL West (3)
- .486 Chicago Cubs +44 NL Central (3)
- .486 Houston Astros +18 AL West (3)
- .486 Seattle Mariners +10 AL West (4)
- .486 New York Mets -10 NL East (2)
- .472 Miami Marlins -59 NL East (3)
- .471 Detroit Tigers -37 AL Central (2)
- .457 Cleveland Guardians -22 AL Central (3)
- .457 Philadelphia Phillies -29 NL East (4)
- .441 San Francisco Giants -21 NL West (4)
- .429 Washington Nationals -23 NL East (5)
- .412 Cincinnati Reds -36 NL Central (4)
- .389 Colorado Rockies -37 NL West (5)
- .333 Saint Louis Cardinals -17 NL Central (5)
- .333 Chicago White Sox -61 AL Central (4)
- .278 Kansas City Royals -59 AL Central (5)
- .222 Oakland Athletics -129 AL West (5)
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The Sox reached the 2/9th of the season mark yesterday. Below are the top performers across their 40 man roster.
Hanser Alberto appears in the Top 10 on both lists.
- 1.7 Robert Junior CF $9.5M
- 0.4 Jake Burger 3B $0.7M
- 0.4 Gavin Sheets RF $0.7M
- 0.3 Adam Haseley RF $0.7M
- 0.2 Eloy Jimenez DH $10.3M
- 0.2 Yoan Moncada 3B $17.8M
- 0.2 Hanser Alberto 3B $1.3M
- 0.2 Yasmani Grandal C $18.3M
- 0.1 Andrew Benintendi LF $8.6M
- 0.0 Billy Hamilton RF $1.0M
- 0.0 Andrew Vaughn 1B $0.8M
- 0.0 Tim Anderson SS $13.5M
- -0.1 Carlos Perez C $0.7M
Did Not Make The Cut: XX ST DFA L. Garcia $5.5M; -0.2 S. Zavala C $0.7M; -0.3 E. Andrus 2B $3.0M; -0.9 L. Sosa 2B $0.7M; -0.9 AAA O. Colas RF $0.7M; -0.9 R. Gonzalez 2B $0.7M.
bWAR Top 13 White Sox Pitchers
- 1.2 Lucas Giolito SP $10.4M
- 0.6 Mike Clevinger SP $12.0M
- 0.6 Gregory Santos RP $0.7M
- 0.4 Kenyan Middleton RP $0.8M
- 0.2 AAA Tanner Banks RP $0.7M
- 0.1 Kendall Graveman RP $8.0M
- 0.1 Michael Kopech RP $2.1M
- 0.0 AAA Jesse Scholtens RP $0.7M
- 0.0 Joe Kelly RP $9.0M
- -0.1 Hanser Alberto RP $1.3M
- -0.2 Dylan Cease SP $5.7M
- -0.2 Lance Lynn SP $18.5M
- -0.2 Alex Colome RP $0.7M
Did Not Make The Cut: XX 2022 DFA D. Keuchel SP $0.2M; -0.2 J. Lambert RP $0.7M; -0.2 AAA S. Peralta RP $0.7M; -0.5 DFA J. Ruiz RP $0.7M; -0.6 R, Lopez RP $3.6M; -0.6 DFA J. Diekman RP $4.5M; -0.8 A. Bummer RP $3.8M.
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Hahn went all in on yet another Royal and has a .649 OPS to show for spending $75M on the world’s richest White Sox.
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4 hours ago, tray said:
Intentional tanking or losing games is tantamount to cheating. In addition, it ruins the sport and makes a mockery out of the team and the fan base. Wishing for new ownership does not guarantee more wins or a championship. Loyalty to the team, attendance at games, and taking pride as White Sox fans is what will make a difference.
The problem is, Rick Hahn is the GM embodiment of tanking.
- 73-89
- 63-99
- 72-89
- 62-100
- 67-95
Without looking it up, which records were the result of Hahn promoted tanking seasons, and which were Hahn promoted “trying” seasons?
I’ll hang up and listen to your response.
5 hours ago, FloydBannister1983 said:Soxtalk participants should vote on the White Sox Rant of the Year Awards.
2022 - Laurence Holmes
2023 - Berto from the West Side
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57 minutes ago, The Beast said:
Yeah, but it’s useless. Does it make everyone feel better to point that vitriol at him when there’s no action taken?
Sometimes it's therapeutic, and it helps build critical mass of disgust at Jerry and Hahn.
I agree the more concrete method is to stop giving Jerry a penny, stop going to their website or engaging in any of their other social media, and if you are part of the TV or radio system, zero ratings. If tickets are a sunk cost, don't spend a penny there including parking, or just don't go.
Set a record low attendance record and cancel their worthless asses. Disgust is working against Bud Light, Fox and other organizations. Jerry / Michael finally took action after people stopped going to Bulls games.
2023 Attendance 269,006 / 16 Games Played = 16,813
Games over 16,813 (Six):
- Day: W 4/3, Th 4/6, Sat 4/15, Sun 4/30
- Night: F 4/14, Sat 4/29
Games under 16,813 (Ten including Rain Out DH Game):
- Day: W 4/5, Sun 4/16, W 4/19, Th 5/4
- Night: Tu DH 4/18, Th 4/27. F 4/28, Tue 5/2, W 5/3
Games lost to rain (One): M 4/17, Thank You God, keep the line moving!
Comiskey Park 2.0 Lowest Attendance Years:
- 0 2020 - Government Lockout
- Under 1.34M 2023 Boycott target
- 1.34M 1999 - Post White Flag
- 1.39M 1998 - Post White Flag
- 1.60M 2021 - Government Lockout Restrictions through late June.
- 1.61M 2018 - Tanking
- 1.61M 1995 - Post Jerry cancelled White Sox World Series opportunity
- 1.63M 2017 - Tanking
- 1.65M 2019 - Tanking
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1 minute ago, fathom said:
Graveman should not be pitching in this game
Just getting work to prevent rust as he didn't pitch in the Reds series.
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5 hours ago, DoUEvenShift said:
I agree this needs to be rectified. Let Timmy start a new one and merge this one into Timmy's thread. Because superstition.
5 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:Why did Lip supplant @Timmy U as the starter of the Game Thread today?
This game was over before it even started when the cursed game thread was not rectified.
This incident must be disclosed prominently in future May 8th "This Day in Sox History" threads.
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Why did Lip supplant @Timmy U as the starter of the Game Thread today?
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This would have been an awesome roster in 2019, perhaps a World Series winner. This payroll was less than their 2019 tanking payroll.
Smart Roster: $72.4M 53.4 bWAR
Hahn Roster: $88.9M 23.8 bWAR
2019 OPS / bWAR (2019 Age Salary):
Lineup $33.4M 31.1 bWAR
- CF T. Anderson .865 4.2 (26 $1.4M)
- RF F. Tatis Jr. .969 4.2 (20 $0.6M)
- SS M. Semien .892 8.5 (28 $5.9M)
- 1B J. Abreu .834 2.5 (32 $16.0M)
- 3B Y. Moncada .915 5.2 (24 $0.6M)
- LF E. Jimenez .828 1.5 (22 $1.8M)
- C J. McCann .789 3.6 (29 $2.5M)
- DH Y. Alonso .576 -1.0 (32 $8.0M) <= Hahn traded for this 12/18 while tanking. WTF.
- 2B Y. Sanchez .638 1.4 (27 $4.6M)
Bench $3.9M 3.0 bWAR
- C J. Phegley .693 0.3 (31 $1.1M)
- INF D. Mendick .787 0.5 (25 $0.6M)
- INF/OF L. Garcia .688 1.3 (28 $1.6M)
- OF A. Engel .687 0.9 (27 $0.6M)
Rotation $11.6M 12.4 bWAR
- SP L. Giolito 5.5 (24 $0.6M)
- SP F. Montas 2.6 (26 $0.6M)
- SP C. Bassitt 2.1 (30 $0.6M)
- SP I. Nova 1.9 (32 $9.2M)
- SP R. Lopez 0.3 (25 $0.6M)
Bullpen $23.5M 6.9 bWAR
- A. Colome 0.9 (30 $7.3M)
- A. Bummer 2.8 (25 $0.6M)
- E. Marshall 1.7 (29 $0.6M)
- K. Herrera -0.4 (29 $8.5M) <= Hahn gonna Hahn
- N. Jones 0.2 (33 $4.7M)
- J. Cordero 1.0 (27 $0.6M)
- J. Osich 0.4 (30 $0.6M)
- J. Minaya 0.3 (28 $0.6M)
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The two areas Hahn did a good to excellent job was acquiring and flipping Eaton, and the Sale/Quintana trades.
Where things fell apart is when he failed to draft/develop much talent beyond these acquisitions plus Paddy's Robert/Abreu signings to have a solid 12-15 player core / 1-9 lineup. The terrible DH and RP heavy roster construction and overpriced veterans on their last deals constrained the ability to address perennial needs at 2B, RF, SP plus additional depth. This led to an act of desperation in dealing cost controlled players like Dunning and Madrigal to acquire high cost end of career veterans like Kimbrel/Pollock, Lynn plus the high priced Keuchel and Grandal signings.
This, not Hahn's 2016-2017 deals, is why the Hahn era needs to end.
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1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:
Worst GM or not, why in God's name would he be allowed yet another shot to rebuild when he failed in that endeavor as well as failing to compete on the fly from 2013-2016?
What exactly can he do well... besides trade very favorable controlled contracts for those three younger Sox players?
Let's not forget when he traded Frazier Kahnle Robertson etc., to the Yankees, he got ripped off.
And the Tatis trade, when all is said and done, will cost how much in lost fWAR?
The trade market doesn’t work as it did several years ago when Hahn pawned everything of worth from Kenny plus Hahn’s one shinning moment, Eaton 1.0.
Teams value their top salary controlled prospects far more today (well except for the Sox flipping for Lynn, Kimbrel recently, far worse during their last “window”). The Sox will not see the same returns on an Eaton, Quintana or even Sale in 2023 that you did in 2016.
Juan Soto earned 21.4 bWAR by Age 23 and netted Wood, Haskell and Mackenzie Gore last season.
Max Scherzer (7-0 1.98 ERA w LAD) and Trea Turner (22.3 bWAR through age 28 with Washington) netted Josiah Gray (1.6 bWAR age 25) and Keibert Ruiz (2.4 / 24).The White Sox have nobody in these player’s universe in terms of age and production available at the deadline. They will be trading contract relief for marginal prospects in a quest to sink to AL Central Payroll Land.
Career bWAR White Sox Core Players under 30 (7/1/23 Age):
- 16.0 Benintendi (28)
- 4.0 Bummer (29)
- 0.8 Burger (27)
- 9.6 Cease (27)
- -0.9 Colas (24)
- 1.6 Crochet (24)
- 12.0 Giolito (28)
- 5.5 Jimenez (26)
- 3.9 Kopech (27)
- 13.6 Moncada (28)
- AA Ramos (21)
- 9.1 Robert (25)
- AA Rodriguez (22)
- -0.1 Sheets (27)
- 0.0 Vaughn (25)
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Enjoyed watching this 2nd inning supercut.
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43 minutes ago, GreatScott82 said:
I think finishing 81-81 would be a reach at this point. They will be selling pieces by June. Remember, Jerry recently said- you can still have successful years on the business end of things, he doesn’t mind another 2nd or 3rd place finish. 🥕
Another Rick Hahn rebuild on the way. But it will be classified as a “re-tool” to silence anyone who bashes him for attempting ANOTHER rebuild. Hahn will get fleeced on his deals yet again. Why? Because he’s the worst GM in the MLB.
The Sox have the worst owner in the MLB and the worse GM in the MLB. It will remain as such until Hahn resigns. But why would he resign? They’ll keep cancelling Soxfests before they let their ‘fantastic’ GM leave. He has a job where there is no consequences for sucking for 10 years. It’s a dream job!
Dear Lord, help us!!With the farcical 14 team playoff money grab, 3rd / 4th in the division and 8th - 10th in the American League is the new “2nd place”, and that’s where I expect the Sox to target until Jerry passes, beyond if there is similar ownership. I expect payroll to drop to $100M-$140M over the next two years.
To me it looks like they are trying to become Oakland light with all the anti fan policies (no stadium staffing, little to no season ticket perks, bad on field product) to angle for a new stadium or relocation. It’s not like Jerry hadn’t done this to the franchise and fans before. F him and his “meaningful games in September” bullshit.
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47 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:
Here's what I don't get. Sox have a big lead yet Grifol burns through three pitchers to finish the game only letting them go an inning each.
What?
One of these stiffs couldn't go two innings, saving a guy? I mean they don't have a day off until May 15.
Makes no sense.
They were scheduled to throw today, Lambert last pitched 3 days ago and Middleton 4. Hopefully Colome built some confidence today with his scoreless inning.
Was sleeping during the game, glad they won and nearly everyone padded their stats.
Hopefully we see Colas back soon, if he’s regained a better approach in Charlotte. Really could use an OF glove and decent bat in RF, keep Sheets at DH or 1B if he can handle it until everyone returns (as if that’s ever going to happen).
Current Roster (OPS through today)
Catchers (3): Grandal (.798); Perez (1 AB); Zavala (.531).
DH (1): Sheets (.709).
Infield (5): Alberto (.903); Anderson (.654); Andrus (.547); Sosa (.377); Vaughn (.766).
Outfield (4): Benintendi (.648); Hamilton (2 ABs); Haseley (1.029); Robert (.825).
Future Moves (4)
- Moncada (.859) up for Perez.
- Burger (.924) up for Sosa.
- Colas (.541) up for Haseley.
- Eloy (.743) up for Sheets.
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3 hours ago, kitekrazy said:
The Sox MO. What they usually get isn't really different then letting him walk, Then in the FA market they only sign something.
The issue is scouting.
They will probably be duking it out for last place with the Royals the rest of my lifetime.
Well, except for years the Royals win the pennant (2014) and World Series (2015).
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May 7, 2023 - White Sox fans have become so apathetic about the team, a game thread was not created for the first time in Soxtalk history.
(Less than an hour until gametime, I swore off creating new threads until the Sox have a new GM and perhaps new Owner. Regime Change Begins at Home).
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2 minutes ago, black jack said:
Sorry guys. I turned the game on just to see the Friedl homer.
Don't be sorry. No force on Earth can overcome Clevinger Hahn Reinsdorf Bad Karma.
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List of players, coaches/manager who would stay with the White Sox if given the offer to leave with their current contract for another baseball organization.
List
End of List
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21 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:
98-64 if they played a full season together.
It would take the Core Four 1,012.5 total of games, 588 additional games, to reach a full 162 game season at their current pace.
Sadly, the low 16% rate will continue to drop, at minimum, until both Eloy and Yoan return.
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Thread Prompted by @Chimpton quoted post,
It's the field here, unless you are talking football. There are load management legitimate reasons why only 3 of the 4 would start if you are trying to rotate (though DH would be the best to rotate if the roster wasn't so defensively limited). However, the vast majority of games the four haven't appeared has been due to one or more IL stints. Tim Anderson played the least number of games in two of the three completed seasons, Yoan Moncada has played the most games in two of the three seasons.
Games the "Core Four" have started (2020 - YTD 2023):
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2020 (63 Games: 21-11) Luis Robert Jr. 58 CF; Eloy Jimenez 54 LF & 2 DH; Yoan Moncada 54 3B; Tim Anderson 52 SS.
- July: 24 L 25 W 29 W 31.
- August: W 11 W 15 L 15 L 16 W 17 W 18 W 22 W 23 L 25 W 26 W 28 W 29 L.
- September: 2 L 3 W 4 W 5 W 8 L 9 W 12 W 14 W 15 W 16 L 17 W 19 W 21 W 22 L 23 L.
- October: 1 L.
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2021 (166 Games: 15-11) Yoan Moncada 142 3B & 6 DH; Tim Anderson 127 SS; Luis Robert Jr. 71 CF & 1 DH; Eloy Jimenez 41 LF & 18 DH.
- August: 9 W 10 L 12 W 14 L 15 L 16 W 18 W 20 W 25 L 27 W.
- September: 14 W 17 W 20 L 21 L 23 W 24 W 25 L 28 W 29 W.
- October: 1 W 2 W 3 L 7 L 8 L 10 W 12 L.
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2022 (162 Games: 3-2) Yoan Moncada 98 3B; Luis Robert Jr. 89 CF & 3 DH; Eloy Jimenez 50 DH & 30 LF; Tim Anderson 79 SS.
- July: 6 W 7 L 11 L 13 W
- August: 5 W
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2023 (34 Games: 2-3) Luis Robert Jr. 32 CF; Eloy Jimenez 22 DH & 3 RF; Tim Anderson 15 SS; Yoan Moncada 9 3B.
- March: 30 W 31 L
- April: 1 L 2 W 3 L
Total Record: 41-27 .603. Total of 68 Games out of 425 Possible = 16.0%
- 309 72.7% Yoan Moncada (303 3B & 6 DH)
- 273 64.2% Tim Anderson (273 SS)
- 254 59.8% Luis Robert Junior (250 CF & 4 DH)
- 220 51.8% Eloy Jimenez (125 LF; 92 DH & 3 RF)
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2020 (63 Games: 21-11) Luis Robert Jr. 58 CF; Eloy Jimenez 54 LF & 2 DH; Yoan Moncada 54 3B; Tim Anderson 52 SS.
5/9- Sox at Royals, 8:40
in 2023 Season in Review
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all win streaks are created equal, that they are endowed by their thread Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, the pursuit of Happiness, and the honour and obligation to create future game threads through completion.