South Side Hit Men

It's a problem the White Sox do not have a starting 2B or RF, the same as every season, but these players below are the reason the Sox suck ass more than the typical Hahn team in 2023. Salaries include buyouts, Player and 2023 bWAR $19.5M Lynn -0.2 $18.3M Grandal 0.3 $17.8M Moncada 0.2 $12.5M Anderson 0.1 $10.3M Jimenez 0.2 $9.0M Kelly 0.0 $8.6M Benintendi -0.1 (Contract backloaded - $17.1M due next three years, $15.1M final year) $96.0M 0.5 net bWAR Robert (1.4 bWAR) and Lucas (1.2) are the only two solid contributors to start this season.

Jerry is too broke to pay for scouts.

You have a point with Eloy, but Robert and Anderson are less dependable yet seem to always avoid scrutiny. Games Played since Robert's call up: 309 Yoan Moncada (27) 266 Tim Anderson (29) 254 Luis Robert Junior (25) 194 Eloy Jimenez (26)

Clevinger takes the loss and falls to 2-3.

I cheer for the Sox every four out of five games. I’m not listening tonight nor have I any other of his starts. I can’t stand the fact this piece of s%*# is still on the team.

2022 Grandal .570

RIP Big Baby. ?

Lodolo's walkup music if pitchers still hit.

If you think that’s a lowlight, this might be rock bottom. Note: A’s announcer said N-word on video of live broadcast describing his wonderful visit to the Negro League Museum. Viewer discretion is advised.

Hope this thread has sparked a turnaround for Elvis. His 3 run home run was awesome!

Thankfully Vaughn was alert on that play.

David Wells enters the thread. The only White Sox player I ever booed, when I thought he was drunk puking from our far upper deck seats and pulled in the first inning. Sox ended up coming back and beating the Cubs.

They should start Eloy in RF and Dylan Cease at DH tonight

100%. The problem is they can only win FAs other teams don't want because the players are overpriced and on their last deal. Liam was the exception, primarily for a personal relationship with Tony. The White Sox have drafted and fielded exactly ZERO 2+ bWAR corner outfielders in the Jerry "we have 29 dumb competitors" Reinsdorf 42 year era. Let's be generous and include every internally developed White Sox player and any season regardless of position and see what the Sox have done. 25 Draft acquisitions with one or more 2+ bWAR White Sox Seasons in the Jerry Reinsdorf Era (1981-2022): Primary White Sox 2+ bWAR Position: (1) Catcher (Ron Karkovice). (1) First Baseman (Frank Thomas). (1) Second Baseman (Ray Durham). (1) Shortstop (Tim Anderson). (3) Third Basemen (Gordon Beckham; Joe Crede; Robin Ventura). (3) Centerfielders (Mike Cameron; Aaron Rowand; Kenny Williams). (10) Starting Pitchers (Carlos Rodon; Chris Sale; Hector Santiago; Mike Sirotka; Jim Parque; Mark Buehrle; Jack McDowell; Alex Fernandez; Jason Bere; James Baldwin) (5) Relief Pitchers (Aaron Bummer; Nate Jones; Jake Petricka; Scott Radinsky; Bobby Thigpen). Rick Hahn (2013-Jerry's Death) (5) SS Tim Anderson 2013 R1: 2016 2.4; 2018 3.7; 2019 4.2; 2020 2.3; 2021 4.7. (2) SP Carlos Rodon 2014 R1: 2018 2.0; 2021 5.1. (1) RP Aaron Bummer 2014 R19: 2019 2.8. Kenny Williams (2001-2012) (1) 3B Gordon Beckham 2008 R1: 2009 2.1. (6) RP/SP* Chris Sale 2010 R1: 2011 2.4; 2012* 5.7; 2013* 6.5; 2014* 6.1; 2015* 3.4; 2016* 4.9. (2) RP Nate Jones 2007 R5: 2012 2.5; 2016 2.3. (1) SP Hector Santiago 2006 R30: 2013 2.7. (1) RP Jake Petricka 2010 R2: 2014 2.0. Ron Schueler (1990-2000) (1) CF Mike Cameron 1991 R18: 1997 4.4. (2) SP Mike Sirotka 1993 R15: 1999 4.5; 2000 4.0. (1) SP Jim Parque 1997 R1: 2000 2.9 (11) SP Mark Buehrle 1998 R38: 2001 6.0; 2002 5.0; 2003 2.5; 2004 4.2; 2005 4.8; 2006 2.3; 2007 6.1; 2008 4.4; 2009 5.3; 2010 3.8; 2011 3.8. (3) 3B Joe Crede 1996 R5: 2003 2.3; 2006 4.8; 2008 2.4. (2) CF Aaron Rowand 1998 R1: 2004 5.7; 2005 3.7. Larry Himes (1987-1990) (13) 1B/DH* Frank Thomas 1989 R1: 1990 2.3; 1991* 7.0; 1992 7.0; 1993 6.2; 1994 6.4; 1995 5.3; 1996 5.6; 1997 7.3; 1998* 3.5; 1999* 2.3; 2000* 6.0; 2003* 4.3 2004* 2.8. (9) 3B Robin Ventura 1988 R1: 1990 2.4; 1991 5.3; 1992 6.0; 1993 5.3; 1994 3.0; 1995 4.7; 1996 4.8; 1997 2.1; 1998 5.8. (5) SP Jack McDowell 1987 R1: 1991 4.3; 1992 5.3; 1993 4.4; 1994 3.8; 1995 4.0. (4) SP Alex Fernandez 1990 R1: 1993 5.4; 1994 3.0; 1995 3.8; 1996 6.4. (2) SP Jason Bere 1990 R36: 1993 2.6; 1994 2.8. (6) 2B Ray Durham 1990 R5: 1996 3.1; 1998 4.4; 1999 2.5; 2000 3.1; 2001 4.3; 2002 3.4. (3) SP James Baldwin 1990 R4: 1996 2.5; 1999 2.4; 2000 2.8 Ken "Hawk" Harrelson (1986) (1) RP Scott Radinsky 1986 R3: 1991 2.2. Roland Hemond (1981-1985) (2) RP Bobby Thigpen 1985 R4: 1987 2.2; 1990 3.5. (1) CF Kenny Williams 1982 R3: 1989 2.1. (3) C Ron Karkovice 1982 R1: 1990 2.0; 1992 2.1; 1993 3.2. Players inherited from Veeck / Hemond (1976-1980): (8) RF/DH* Harold Baines 1977 R1: 1981 2.2; 1982 3.4; 1983 2.2; 1984 4.3; 1985 2.4; 1986 2.9; 1989* 3.4; 1996* 2.8. (3) SP Britt Burns 1978 R3: 1981 3.9; 1983 2.1; 1985 4.2.

The Road Team had the advantage for the first two seasons based on the link I found. https://www.thegoodphight.com/2021/9/9/22652255/road-teams-are-surprisingly-benefitting-from-mlbs-extra-innings-rule

Well, at least he didn't Colome in January for $18M / 3 years. Baby steps.

Good chance Grifol and the others won't pan out well, but it's only been 5 weeks and they have been given literal s%*# to work with across several spots on the 26. Pitching: Let Zavala work with Giolito and Kopech and Grandal catch the other three. Every-time. Let Cease call his game, not sure what the hell happened yesterday. Liam (9), Santos (8), Middleton/Lambert/Graveman (6-7). Lopez (long), Bummer (LH), Colome or Banks (Blowout). June Hitting: (Career Platoon OPS) RHS: SS TA (.721); LF AB (.802); CF LR (.734); RF EJ (.839); 3B YM (.930); 1B AV (.706); DH JB (.731); Catcher; 2B EA (.683) LHS: SS TA (.870); LF AB (.707); CF LR (1.013); RF EJ (.769); 1B AV (.831); 3B YM (.667); DH JB (1.007); Catcher; 2B EA (.723) Bench: C SV; 2B Z. Remillard; RF/LF A. Haseley; CF/OF B. Hamilton. AAA: Sheets & Peralta. DFA: Alberto, Colome if bad a few more low leverage appearances. Backups: 1B JB; 2B ZR SS EA (ZR plays 2B); 3B JB; RF AH/BH; CF BH/AH; LF AH/BH. Colas recovers and returns = Haseley Down. #1 Priority Acquire legitimate 2B who can field well and hit at least adequate, Elvis to reserve role, Remillard down.

Guys who shouldn't be starters: Elvis Andrus Gavin Sheets Guys who shouldn't be up at this point: Oscar Colas Lenyn Sosa Guys who shouldn't be in the organization: Hanser Alberto Darryl Boston Mike Clevinger Alex Colome Romy Gonzalez Rick Hahn Sammy Peralta

Peralta should have either started the inning or Colome finished it. At this point they just want the game over, just like TB pitched to Vaughn just to get out of Dodge.

It's 27.00 if he gets this guy out.

Pedro needs to make a visit to Hahn's office before heading to Cincinnati.

He's the last available reliever, next will be perhaps Kopech if he didn't already throw on the side.

No sure why they didn't try Peralta this inning, see what he has.