South Side Hit Men

I hope @The Beast and his group left before the seventh to not have to witness this on his birthday. I'm done with the "Junior" era.

He will outlast both, just you wait and see, unless Jerry dies over the next few years.

9-3, from no hitter to blow out between 2 outs.

The one he extended 60 games before his award.

6-3, and they find another way.

Jimmy wants a strikeout.

Free Sox Hockey Jersey the likely culprit.

Ballgame. Jerry Reinsdorf Karma cannot be defeated.

Nice play by Andrus there.

Nine more outs to go! Game thread at four pages. Sounds about right. Meh, though still up two.

Ironically, Lance Lynn is potentially ruining the Nisei Lounge's $1 Old Style Special tomorrow if the Sox lose 10 in a row.

Trout missed 42 games last year with a rare back condition, costovertebral dysfunction, and still beats that prorated pie in the sky number during his age 30 season. How much of Robert's WAR is inflated with cutting off teammate routine RF/LF flyballs?

He may be the next Mike Trout. https://www.audacy.com/media/audio-channel/steve-stone-on-why-luis-robert-can-become-a-mike-trout-like-player 6.2 bWAR Mike Trout 2022 8.2 bWAR Luis Robert 2020-2023

Ricky would have benched him, as he did the other "stars" when they needed to be reminded of their lack of effort or concentration.

What are you talking about? Burger was a collegiate first round draft pick six years ago, is 27 and played 85 MLB games. Sheets was a second round pick. These aren't mid late round selections or high school guys who didn't pan out. They are the definition of bust, unless one's "expectations" are for Top 2 round players to not not to contribute at the ML level.

Ricky was the one manager open to regularly playing rookies since possibly Gene Lamont, though that may be more of a function of circumstance and what Ricky was tasked with. Tony and Ozzie hated rookies unless they hit the ground running immediately. Didn’t really follow the Sox closely under Ventura, Bevington or Manual, so it’s possible they were more amenable to regularly playing rookies even if they were struggling. That said, it’s the General Manager’s responsibility, at least widely across baseball over the past decade, to work with the manager and set the parameters as to playing time throughout the roster. I don’t mind seeing Colas taking a few days off to mentally regroup and work on his hitting and mental approach to both sides of the ball. He needs to start playing again regularly next week, either here or Charlotte.

No, look at each player where they are at and what they have accomplished with the White Sox. Eloy is wad and shoulders above these three. Burger has a possible chance to make up some ground depending if he can maintain sustainable hitting, Eloy’s health and head, and the fact that Burger can play provide some value playing 3B. (bWAR) Player (Age) / MLB Games Played / OPS (5.0) Eloy Jimenez (26) 335 .815 (1.1) Jake Burger (27) 85 .832 (0.3) Andrew Vaughn (25) 287 .731 (0.1) Gavin Sheets (27) 194 .749

Happy Lee Elia Day for those who celebrate. Lee Elia Day turned 40 today. Perhaps we will see a White Sox version, as early as tonight. View discretion is advised (politically incorrect profanity pointed toward Cubs fans).

Eloy He seems like a nice person, and may be smart outside of baseball, but he has the lowest baseline baseball IQ I can recall in any player over a half century. He is regularly unavailable, and when he is he cannot play defense and is a threat to himself and others when he has a glove. He was even injured postgame celebrating Lucas Giolito’s No Hitter. Sure he is better than the other DH busts drafted on the current roster, though Burger is gaining on him. If Eloy was coordinated and able to remain healthy playing on the field, he’d make a better 1B than Vaughn based on his size.

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Most of us were alive in 2013 when Robin Ventura and newly promoted Rick Hahn lead the White Sox to a ten game losing streak and a 63-99 record. The Sox scored 18 total runs, or 1.8 per game for the mathematically challenged. wo = Walk off loss. July 26 vs. Kansas City (86-76) 5-1 July 27 vs. Kansas City 1-0 July 28 vs. Kansas City 4-2 (12) July 29 at Cleveland (92-70) 3-2 wo July 30 at Cleveland (92-70) 7-4 July 31 at Cleveland 6-5 (10) wo August 1 at Cleveland 6-1 August 2 at Detroit (93-69) 2-1 August 3 at Detroit 3-0 August 4 at Detroit 3-2 (12) wo If the Sox win tonight, there are still a few other streaks they are embarked on that are still in play. I’ll elaborate further as events unfold. So don’t lock this thread and perhaps remove the “promotions” bit as may have been created as a thread to post joke ideas for promotions, but this can be used (or also be used) to discuss the various streaks the Sox are currently undergoing in one singular thread.

MLB Front Offices have been using "Hahned it" since 2015.

Yes, 13 is the most consecutive games the White Sox lost within a single season (1924) through 2022. The White Sox lost five straight games to end the 1967 season, and ten more to start the 1968 season. If anyone has a good website source for most consecutive series losses, or for accurate team GM/Top Baseball Executive records before 1950, I would appreciate any link(s). I’ve only found one 8 consecutive series loss streak in the 2000s. My previous tracker included both series losses and splits. Also, I would like to update my Hahn All Time GM 10 plus year standings for pre 1950 seasons. Hahn would be buried far further down the list expanding seasons since 1950, but I cannot find consolidate accurate information within a single source. It’s possible a few Saint Louis Browns GMs, and possibly other team GMs were even worse than Hahn for over a decade, but I don’t want to update the list without certainty for all 16 teams pre-1950. The role evolved over the years, so some teams had a formally named GM, whereas others had a team Owner, President, Secretary and/or Field Manager serve in this role. White Sox Streak Source Source: https://champsorchumps.us/team/mlb/chicago-white-sox/longest-losing-streaks

The streak slate from the tanking era has been wiped clean (Nine the longest July 9-23, 2017). Latest Nine Game Losing Streak: April 19 - Current (Eight additional 9 game losing streaks) Chicago White Sox losing streaks milestones on the horizon: Latest Ten Game Losing Streak: July 26 - August 4, 2013 (Five additional 10 game losing streaks) Latest Eleven Game Losing Streak July 7 - July 18, 1956 (Two additional 11 game losing streaks) Lone Twelve Game Losing Streak September 10 - 22, 1927 Lone Thirteen Game Losing Streak August 9 - 26, 1924 Lone Fourteen Game Losing Streak September 27 - October 1, 1967 + April 10 - 21, 1968 Lone Fifteen Game Losing Streak September 27 - October 1, 1967 + April 10 - 25, 1968 A Sixteen + game losing streak would be a new White Sox team record.

I really was into the game tonight, the first I listened through the entire broadcast (watched the entire game on Fox last Saturday). They played hard, but that stupid play letting the Rays score ended up being a factor in the final. Pissed they burned Lopez yesterday down 13-2 when Foster and Romy were available for 8 and 9. Even though long term it's best they lose 110 games this season to force the necessary house clearing of everything, I was cheering for them strong through the last at bat. Unlike fucking Rick Hahn, I do admit my game threads have been mired in mediocrity. After starting 9-4, I have now lost five straight games between 2021 - 2023. Unlike Rick Hahn, I am resigning from Game Thread duties until at minimum Rick Hahn is gone (hope I can remember this pledge in 2024 and beyond). Sox fans deserve better than this. I hope the Sox can bring isolated moments of joy for the people still going to games and watching regularly.

"There are multiple GMs with a worse record than my tenure limited to recent MLB history, let alone four North American Sports Leagues. Obviously Soxtalk poster Chicago White Sox is a negative fan and doesn't know what he is talking about. Everybody fan I meet tells me I am awesome, as does my boss and our owner. I will continue to lead the Chicago White Sox as I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me." - Rick Hahn April 28, 2023 MLB General Managers (1950 - 2022) with a decade plus consecutive tenure with one club: .622 George Weiss 1,243 - 756 (New York AL 1948-1960) - 7 World Series & 3 AL Pennants .593 John Schuerholz 1,594 - 1,092 (Atlanta 1991-2007) - 1 World Series & 4 NL Pennants .589 Brian Cashman 2,322 - 1,622 (New York AL 1998-2022 (current)) - 4 World Series & 2 AL Pennants .580 Bob Howsam 1,122 - 813 (Cincinnati 1967-1978) - 2 World Series & 2 NL Pennants .571 Buzzie Bavasi 1,617 - 1,217 (Brooklyn & LA Dodgers 1951-1968) - 4 World Series & 4 NL Pennants .551 Hank Peters 1,036 - 845 (Baltimore 1976-1987) - 1 World Series & 1 AL Pennant .547 Chub Feeney 1,724 - 1,425 (NY NL & SF Giants 1950-1969) - 1 World Series & 2 NL Pennants .546 Al Campanis 1,649 - 1,369 (Los Angeles Dodgers 1969-1987) - 1 World Series & 3 NL Pennants .545 Paul Owens 942 - 785 (Philadelphia NL 1973-1983) - 1 World Series & 1 NL Pennant .541 John Hart 927 - 786 (Cleveland 1991-2001) - 2 AL Pennants .536 Walt Jocketty 1,117 - 968 (Saint Louis NL 1995-2007) - 1 World Series & 1 NL Pennant .533 Brian Sabean 1,727 - 1,511 (San Francisco 1997-2016) - 3 World Series & 1 NL Pennant .533 Billy Beane 1,552 - 1,362 (Oakland 1998-2015) .530 Joe Brown 1,772 - 1,573 (Pittsburgh 1956-1976) - 2 World Series .529 Dick O'Connell 1,194 - 1,062 (Boston AL 1961-1977) - 2 AL Pennants .527 Frank Cashen 907 - 814 (New York NL 1980-1990) - 1 World Series .527 Ron Schueler 817 - 734 (Chicago AL 1991-2000) .521 Charlie Finley 1,091 - 1,005 (Oakland 1968-1980) - 3 World Series .521 Ken Williams 1,014 - 931 (Chicago AL 2001-2012) - 1 World Series .520 Harry Dalton 1,149 - 1,062 (Milwaukee AL 1978-1991) - 1 AL Pennant .520 Fred Claire 891 - 822 (Los Angeles Dodgers 1988-1998) - 1 World Series .519 Jim Campbell 1,733 - 1,605 (Detroit 1963-1983) - 1 World Series .518 Dal Maxvill 814 - 757 (Saint Louis NL 1985-1994) - 2 NL Pennants .511 Jed Hoyer 776 - 742 (Chicago NL 2012-2021) - 1 World Series .510 Pat Gillick 1,352 - 1,297 (Toronto 1978-1994) - 2 World Series .509 Jon Daniels 1,186 - 1,143 (Texas 2006-2020) - 2 AL Pennants .508 Sandy Alderson 1,200 - 1,164 (Oakland 1983-1997) - 1 World Series, 2 AL Pennants .506 Bing Devine 898 - 877 (Saint Louis NL 1968-1978) - 1 NL Pennants .499 Dave Dombrowski 1,050 - 1,056 (Detroit 2003-2015) - 2 AL Pennants .499 Michael Rizzo 1,110 - 1,115 (Washington NL 2009-2022 (current)) - 1 World Series .496 Jim Bowden 779 - 849 (Cincinnati 1993-2003) .491 Terry Ryan 1,023 - 1,062 (Minnesota 1995-2007) .489 Woody Woodward 837 - 876 (Seattle 1989-1999) .489 Roland Hemond 999 - 1,042 (Chicago AL 1973-1985) .488 Jack McKeon 764 - 803 (San Diego 1981-1990) - 1 NL Pennant .488 Kevin Towers 1,108 - 1,161 (San Diego 1996 - 2009) - 1 NL Pennant .486 Douglas Melvin 1,024 - 1,081 (Milwaukee NL 2003-2015) .484 Tom Grieve 760 - 810 (Texas 1985-1994) .480 Calvin Griffith 2,643 - 2,866 (Washington Senators & Minnesota Twins 1950-1984) - 1 AL Pennant .470 Neal Huntington 989 - 1114 (Pittsburgh 2007-2019) .466 John Holland 1,341 - 1,534 (Chicago NL 1957-1975) .464 Phil Seghi 943-1,091 (Cleveland 1973-1985) .464 Daniel O'Dowd 1,129-1,302 (Colorado 2000-2014) - 1 NL Pennant .461 Rick Hahn 700 - 817 (Chicago AL 2013-2022 (current)) .458 Dayton Moore 1,115 - 1,318 (Kansas City June 8 2006-2021) - 1 World Series & 1 AL Pennant .457 John Quinn 1,022 - 1,213 (Philadelphia NL 1959-1972) Source Baseball Cube - Note: No GM Records listed prior to 1950. Consecutive tenures under 10 years, even when a GM served more than 10 years total for a franchise, are not included above.