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And they rush to send healthy guys down and keep 2-4 injured guys up and not IL them for much of the season. 2022 White Sox Relief Appearances: 28 Foster 26 Graveman 25 Ruiz, Sousa, Hendriks 22 Lopez 20 Bummer 15 Banks 14 Crick 8 Burr 7 Kelly 6 Severino 2 Lambert 1 Velasquez, Cueto, Martin, Harrison
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He hired a personal chef and lost 40 pounds, from 280 to 240, in 2013 entering the second season in the rotation. https://www.mlb.com/news/lindsay-berra-st-louis-cardinals-pitcher-lance-lynn-gains-plenty-from-weight-loss/c-63333280 He was 26 and having weight issues, is nearing ten years older now and looks heavier today than in 2012. Not sure why Hahn felt the need to rush a contract midway through the season, though perhaps Tony was the driving force looking to take care of "his Cardinals guy".
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Katz is the only coach on the team with demonstrable success, the one recruited by Lucas and Hahn, not Tony. The rest of his staff were Tony's selections, either new or approved carry-over staff. Catching seems to have regressed under Narron, not sure what Cairo does or is allowed to do. The two success stories so far have been Boston helping Vaughn pick up OF on the fly to start 2021, and the management of Kopech's innings. Still believe the overall failure of the organization the past decade comes down to lack of development of drafted players, and lack of identification of quality external FAs by the FO beyond Marco Paddy, and that falls on Hahn, not Tony. That said, Tony was brought in to improve fundamentals, focus and approach, but we haven't see improvement beyond the SPs under Katz. Seems like the team is tighter and lacking rhythm based on Tony's endless tweaking of the lineup, his focus on handedness over effectiveness, and his at times puzzling in-game strategery.
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Definitely helped with the three young starting pitchers. Don't think Keuchel or Lynn really need much work with a pitching coach at this stage of their career, well beyond Keuchel's drop off in velocity and command in 2021/2022. Not sure any coach could help Keuchel at this point. Bullpen arms are fungible, but the jury is still out in terms of will the success Katz has made with the young starters can also translate to the bullpen. It will take a few more years to evaluate. I recall four development success stories for Cooper over the past decade (2010-2019 - Aaron Bummer, Nate Jones, Zach Putnam and Sergio Santos). The remaining solid relievers were free agent acquisitions developed by other teams (Soria, Colome, Robertson, Crain, Thornton). Seasons with SP 10 + starts, Relief Pitchers 25 + Appearances, players with at least one White Sox season under both coaches: Don Cooper Lucas Giolito: 6.13 2018 Dylan Cease: 5.79 2019; 4.01 2020 Carlos Rodon: 3.75 2015; 4.04 2016; 4.15 2017; 4.18 2018 Jose Ruiz: 5.63 2019 Aaron Bummer: 4.50 2017; 4.26 2018; 2.13 2019 Evan Marshall: 2.49 2019 Ethan Katz Lucas Giolito: (Offseason Work with Katz after 2018 Season) 3.41 2019; 3.48 2020; 3.53 2021; 3.88 2022 Dylan Cease: 3.91 2021; 3.14 2022 Carlos Rodon: 2.37 2021 Jose Ruiz: 3.05 2021; 5.56 2022 Aaron Bummer: 3.51 2021 Evan Marshall: 5.60 2021
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I'm old enough to remember Tony La Russa challenging the arresting officer regarding the difference between falling asleep at the wheel and passing out at the wheel, after officers found him passed out in the middle of an intersection. Also an apt metaphor for his tenures with the White Sox. 2:50 mark Tony doesn't know his ABCs, next time won't you hire me. 1:50 in: "A B C D E F G H I J K L M N I Z M N O P Z Q R S T U V V V Z T U V X Y X Z"
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If it's good enough for Joe Maddon, it's good enough for Tony LaRussa. Also want the Happy Ending Joe encountered for Tony.
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GT 6/12: TEX @ SOX, 1:10 PM CT, NBCSC
South Side Hit Men replied to CentralChamps21's topic in 2022 Season in Review
Also, nobody is stating the Sox are “the worst team in baseball”. Sox fans are stating the team is playing poor uninspired baseball, led by their poor uninspired manager, during their self proclaimed “multi championship” window. -
I’m old enough to remember Tony intentionally walking Albert Pujols in a White Sox loss to open the 2021 season. Also remember Sox fans collectively holding their breath fearing Tony would claim Pujols, after the 41 year old Pujols was DFA’d by the Angels a few weeks later, because BFF cronyism. Good times.
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While I agree the GM is responsible for the roster, can you point to specifics attributes Tony is responsible for to make him a league average or a good / solid manager? I believe a large number of people, be it fans or those around the game, feel Tony is not putting the players in the best position to win, that the team is playing sloppy uninspired baseball and has not improved fundamentally or with their approach beyond a few exceptions. I also believe many feel the team is playing tight and without joy, consistent with the atmosphere Tony creates. Tony does not allow the players to get into a routine or rhythm with his daily tweaking of the lineup, and his decision making is dominated by handedness over effectiveness, until Hahn takes his "toys away". His attitude toward the media and fan base is arrogant and detracts from the entertainment fans should be having about this team. His staff is largely made up of cronies. The Lucas Giolito recruited Ethan Katz is the exception, the only coach who has shown demonstrable success the past two seasons in improving key players on this team. Catching has regressed under Narron. Defensive positioning and other statistical decisions has regressed under Duncan's son. Not sure what Miguel Cairo is tasked with / allowed to do. He accepted the other left-overs, outside of preparing Vaughn to attempt to play the OF, can't see anything else they are contributing to the team.
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Why are the sox so unlucky with veteran additions?
South Side Hit Men replied to Dominikk85's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Players acquired by Rick Hahn this decade earning over 2.0 bWAR (over 1.0 bWAR for RPs) per year (ML pro-rated) with the White Sox. Calendar Year; * = Resigned after initial acquisition via extension or free agent without separation. (White Sox Seasons) Marco Paddy - International Signing (9.4 Player Seasons): Jose Abreu (7.7) 2013 * & Luis Robert (1.7) 2017. Doug Laumann - Amateur Draft (5.7 Player Seasons): Tim Anderson (5.7) 2013. Rick Hahn - Trades (4.8 Player; 1.4 Starter & 3.7 Relief Pitcher Seasons): Adam Eaton (3.0) 2013; Tommy Kahnle (1.4) 2015; Todd Frazier (1.4) 2015; Joakim Soria (0.6) 2018; Alex Colome (1.4) 2018; Lance Lynn (1.4) 2020 *; Ryan Tepera (0.3) 2021; Reese McGuire (0.4) 2022 Rick Hahn - Free Agents (3.1 Player, 2.2 Starter & 5.0 Relief Pitcher Seasons): David Robertson (2.6) 2014; Miguel Gonzalez (1.8) 2016; Anthony Swarzak (0.6) 2017; James McCann (1.4) 2018; Yasmani Grandal (1.7) 2019; Liam Hendriks (1.4) 2021; Kendell Graveman (0.4) 2021; Johnny Cueto (0.4) 2022 Rick Hahn - Tanking Trades (4.7 Player & 7.1 Starter Seasons): Michael Kopech (2.4) 2016; Yoan Moncada (4.7) 2016; Lucas Giolito (4.7) 2016. Pro-rated Per Year Total: 3.2 Player, 1.2 Starter & 1.0 Reliever seasons per year of average plus White Sox ballplayers (5.4 of a 25/26 man roster). -
Zavala, Banks up, Bummer IL, Martin down, Yermin DFA
South Side Hit Men replied to Heads22's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Lynn wasn't back yet. If you are counting on Cueto, Velasquez and Martin as three of your six available SP options, also knowing you are limiting Kopech's innings this season, it's a thin plan at this point if you are attempting to win "multiple championships". On this Board, I said to keep him until June or July, just don't keep him in the rotation unless you are once again down to 4 other SP options, it wasn't hindsight. You're going to have to eat a few games a month down big, and those are the games you use Keuchel 3-5 innings, and not care about what it does to his stats. Saving your bullpen is very important, especially this season with the limited Spring Training, and starters not working deep into games. https://www.si.com/mlb/2022/06/05/umpires-dont-allow-dodgers-to-use-position-player-as-pitcher White Sox Starting Pitcher Innings Length (58 games): 0 - 2/3 IP (1 Game): Kopech (1) 1 - 1 2/3 IP (1 Game): Keuchel (1) 2 - 2 2/3 IP (2 Games): Keuchel (1); Lopez (1) 3 - 3 2/3 IP (5 Games): Cease (1); Kopech (1); Lambert (2); Velasquez (1) 4 - 4 2/3 IP (12 Games): Cease (3); Giolito (3); Keuchel (2); Kopech (2); Velasquez (2) 5 - 5 2/3 IP (20 Games): Cease (5); Giolito (3); Martin (2); Keuchel (3); Kopech (3); Velasquez (4) 6 - 6 2/3 IP (13 Games): Cease (1); Cueto (5); Giolito (3); Keuchel (1); Kopech (3) 7 - 7 2/3 IP (4 Games): Cease (2); Giolito (1); Kopech (1)
