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The Sox released him before the playoffs, he wasn't coming back. Ross was a much better option out of the pen vs. Rodon who should never have been brought up at the end of the season. Ross also could have thrown a few innings in Game 3. Then again, the Sox would have advanced if Keuchel wasn't complete garbage in Game 2.

Just be sure to quote the whole post accurately, not likely since you already distorted my posts in your reply. Mod edit: y’all need to stop needlessly bringing politics into this forum. In either event, I hope you, the White Sox and Padres have a successful and happy new year.

I typically only listen to the archived clips to avoid/skip over the 80% + of Score content that is Bears/NFL related (August through April). Spiegel deserves a show again, though would miss his weekend baseball shows if he dropped them (I believe he'll keep Saturday, not sure what happens to the Sunday show). Bernstein is less of a douchebag solo, though Rami will keep those tendencies in check. Have no use for the morning show, Rami or Parkins, hope these two move on for a better gig soon. The four letter network is garbage, will turn it on for the first time since 2005 for Sox games only.

Child, please. The White Sox, and any sane fan would want any of these three pitchers. The Darvish/Caratini trade would have filled two holes for little in prospect value. Snell required a higher prospect quality, but not their top guys. They are also under control for years. Every pitcher on the planet is a potential injury risk.

This, Charles Leerhsen’s thoroughly researched book presents a fair treatment of Ty Cobb. Al Stump was a complete hack, and his book and Tommy Lee Jones’ film was a complete farce. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22609487-ty-cobb SABR also debunked Al Stump’s lies, and exposed his fraud, including sales of fraudulent Ty Cobb memorabilia. http://haulsofshame.com/Final SABR Article - as published_6744.pdf

I see the Cubs operating more like the Pirates (just dump, no concern for return) than Tampa (maximize talent return), at least with the first two moves (dump Schwarber and Darvish/Carantini for little to nothing). The Cubs (or Sox) are not counting on many games or fans in 2021, and 2022 (perhaps beyond) is up in the air due with the CBA. Will the Padres now be referred to here as “the team which shall not be named”?

Numbers have lined up with the MLB Trade Rumors projections (column 2, prorated 2020 stats to 162 games). https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/10/projected-arbitration-salaries-for-2021.html Signed (Projected P vs. Signing S) Engel $1.4M P vs. $1.37M S Fry $1.0M P vs. $0.86M S Marshall $1.9M P vs. $2.0M S Pending Giolito $5.3M P vs. ??? Lopez $2.2M P vs. ??? Hard Pass Mazara $5.9M P vs. Team / $ ??? Rodon $4.5M P vs. Team / $ ???

Thanks for posting. My two selections have a shot to bridge the gap. Would have added Schilling to my ballot after further reflection, including the rationale Jay Jaffe wrote he used to omit him. Whether you agree or disagree with Schillings politics or statements, it should have no bearing on your hall of fame vote. I’m truly agnostic when it comes to Rolen or Jones, would have to study it more if I had a ballot. I would likely keep it no, but wouldn’t be necessarily concerned if either made it. Can’t argue Jones out with all of the weak to horrendous CF inductees currently in (Averill, Carey, Combs, Duffy, Puckett, Roush, Waner, Wilson). Warner is worse than Baines. Nice to see Vizquel’s support dropping, not necessarily because he is a thug, but because he is did not have a hall of fame career. https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_SS.shtml

I wouldn’t be surprised if owners drag this out and start Spring Training sometime after July 4th again. They can keep moving the goal posts, saying they need to start after fans can attend without restrictions in all 30 stadiums. The usual suspects here will side with Jerry and Manfred. Owners wish to destroy any cushion players could save prior to CBA discussions. Jerry didn’t give a rats ass that he destroyed 1994, was upset a Latina Judge b****slapped owners, before they could destroy 1995 and beyond. Jerry didn’t care that he had a championship caliber core before then, and he doesn’t give a rats ass that he may have one now.

Arizona knew him better, they quickly dumped his ass. Cleveland lived with his ass as long as they could, dumped his ass in a fire sale in exchange for a trade of colonoscopy cancerous polyps. Wore out his welcome in Cincinnati after 21 starts. Time will tell if anyone is desperate enough to think his toxic presence is worth it. His 1-4 postseason record indicates it hasn’t been during his first decade in the sport. I pity the team who signs this clown, especially the 25 other players who have to live and work with this creep. In the end, he’ll leave baseball without a ring, likely with multiple additional teams satisfied he is gone, regretful like his previous three teams they acquired him in the first place.

Linked, not liked. Arizona dumped Bauer very quickly. There are currently only 4 or 5 teams with the willingness and ability to pay Bauer for even one or two seasons this offseason, let alone the asinine amount and length he is asking for. Sure, “Four Good Prospects”. https://www.mlb.com/prospects/indians/ Moss and Allen are not in their top 20 prospects list, Nova is not ranked. They let Puig walk, leaving Reyes as the MLB player. His biggest value is being paid the minimum. 2.2 total bWAR / 2.7 fWAR total over his three seasons, would provide more value as a DH. Engel topped him in OPS last season, Engel slightly lower in bWAR (1.9) / fWAR (1.7) over the past three seasons. Cancer dump and salary dump.

Montero was linked, most everyone on the planet hates him. Most players keep their dirty laundry in house. The Indians were comfortable taking on the known cancer in Puig just to get Bauer’s Proud Boys ass out of there. Both teams were trying to get rid of their cancers. I don’t have to worry about him coming here because Jerry isn’t going to pay. Any team signing this clown will regret it.

Tell that to Reds and Indians. Cleveland felt Puig was a better clubhouse fit, players hated him for risking their World Series run playing with a frigging toy, and he went after / bashed team leader Joey Votto publicly on multiple occasions. Bauer was also an asshole who just wouldn't listen according to mild mannered Miguel Montero. https://www.mlb.com/reds/news/joey-votto-on-trevor-bauer-dugout-incident https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/mlb/reds/2020/10/06/trevor-bauer-vlog-reds-pitcher-reacts-joey-votto-not-scoring-vs-braves-13-th-inning-game-1-atlanta/3634036001/ Here is the asshole filming himself in the clubhouse, b****ing at Joey Votto during the playoffs (8:15 mark). They brought in two too many assholes already this off-season, and our team leader is on the fence with Mr. Teacher brought in last year.

That was the greatest celebrity roast in history. Norm, one of my Top 3 all time greats. Also was the best talk show guest appearance in television history. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F6dXcW-_Fc

Nice piece in the Padres today. Wish the White Sox felt the same sense of urgency during their window of “multiple championships”. https://www.mlb.com/news/aj-preller-padres-go-all-in For all of Preller's aggression, his latest moves are anything but a short-term play. Snell and Darvish are under contract through 2023, and Kim is on board through ’24. A bulk of the team's Trade Deadline acquisitions were for players with multiple years of control, too -- including Clevinger. That's Preller's plan in action. As the Padres ascended to the top of MLB Pipeline's farm system rankings, they knew that some of those Minor League pieces would help them on the field. Paddack, Lamet and Fernando Tatis Jr. already are. Top prospects Gore, CJ Abrams and Luis Campusano will soon join them.

Being somewhat new to the board, the use of "we" by nearly all posters to discuss the team or front office / organization was the hardest thing for me to get used to. The term "we" should only be used in the context of fandom.

2021 Projected fWAR shows San Diego is now 2nd in a near identical tie with Los Angeles. The White Sox are 7th, also behind the Yankees, Astros, Minnesota and the Anaheim, Orange County, somewhere near Los Angeles of Alta California Angels. https://www.mlb.com/news/padres-might-be-best-baseball-team-2021

I haven't seen someone move as swift or effectively as Preller since the closing scene in Godfather, and Michael had a lot of help.

10. Drop Marquee from your cable package , move to Dish TV if necessary.

Good choice, but he is done with MLB after his three previous rejections and recent comments regarding the pathetic “leadership” exhibited by Manfred and current ownership. Theo Epstein can bring a small stake and grow it via compensation, like Jerry did, and attract enough financial interest from billionaires across the globe to adequately fund a purchase. If Theo’s future is baseball, I believe that is his next logical step. He loves living in Chicago and hopefully an opportunity will arise while he is still available. The White Sox should reclaim the historical (pre Reinsdorf) 50/50 Chicago fan interest split over time with new ownership. Hell, the Sox plan had promise until the octogenarian big timed his staff, squashing momentum and goodwill of fans sparked last season. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MkFQHScyti0

Well, they are short term screwed with the massive debt used for fans that won’t materialize for at least a few years. Long term the Cubs will continue to have a significant advantage over the White Sox, at least until there is a change in ownership. I clicked Steamer, here are the depth chart comparisons (Zips + Steamer) https://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&type=fangraphsdc&team=17&lg=all&players=0 Cubs: Hendricks 2.8; Davies 1.3; Mills 1.2; Alzolay 1.2; TBD. White Sox: Giolito 3.1; Lynn 3.1; Keuchel 2.0; Kopech 1.5; Cease 1.2.

Mills threw a no hitter and is good, Alzolay is ok. The Sox had only one more performing starter entering last year’s playoffs. Keuchel’s performance made it a single good starter. Yes, it was Ricky’s fault. fWAR 2021 Projections: Cubs: Hendricks 2.6; Mills 1.2; Alzolay 1.3; ? and ? (Perhaps low cost free agents). Sox: Giolito 2.9 ; Lynn 2.7 ; Keuchel 1.7; Kopech 1.3; Cease 1.1. I don’t see a “multi championship” rotation at this point. They still have Nick Cage who will still pwn the Sox, with the possibility they will acquire more. Sox may have one more bullet in the chamber, expecting another blue light special Eaton dud vs. a stud.

And his friends, and his friend’s friend’s children. Jerry was elected managing partner with complete control by all minority owners, he has complete autonomy of overseeing the day to day affairs of the club. It doesn’t matter he owns less than half of the team’s ownership shares. Outside a near unanimous vote to remove him (and I’m not sure if that is even permitted outside of a lawsuit, or perhaps issues of incapacity or criminal conviction), he has complete control.

Fisk and Belle yes, Luzinski was a solid player, though not a “elite star” caliber. Fisk was 33 when he was acquired, only panned here due his personal dedication to staying in shape into his 40s. The Sox shamefully rewarded that deduction by treating him like garbage. In 1915, the White Sox acquired Eddie Collins for $50,000 from the A’s, and Joe Jackson for two solid players and $31,500 from a more broke than today’s faux broke Cleveland team (somethings never change), and also a 4 bWAR/season RFer. Now that is how you step on the pedal during a “multi championship window”, not acquiring 1 year rentals like Lance “Chumlee” Lynn and a washed up Adam “The Situation” Eaton, and declaring victory in the AL Central.

How does winning a horseshit division with one other team attempting to field a competitive team equate to being in a "multi-championship window"? There are only a half dozen teams actually working to field a championship team in 2021. The White Sox are a few significant moves away to be discussed among them.