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Sort of how Jerry got into the "amends/Depends" business in the first place, with Jerry listening to Hawk telling him how he could "fix" the White Sox, hiring Hawk and firing LaRussa. I said it in other threads, both tongue in cheek and in all seriousness. Jerry needs to stay out of White Sox Business. What I mean by that is Jerry, and more importantly the White Sox team and organization, would be better off with Jerry working with Pizer to set the annual budget, and staying out of White Sox Business in terms of on and off field personnel. Jerry, Jerry likes his money , He makes a lot they say Spends his days counting, at the ballpark, near the Expressway....

In terms of potential to be #1 or #2, Robert is the only player currently who has a possibility of matching Frank Thomas, he is still very young and has a chance to be a HOFer. Crochet has a slim chance to match Sale, but injury / ability to start will likely not let him reach his status. Hope I'm wrong, Katz gives me optimism for him and all of the young pitchers on hand to step up over the next few years.

Agreed on Hawk, and also sharing respectful differences in opinion. I recall being very happy when they fired LaRussa. He and Dunn are the only Sox player or manager I (and family) booed at Sox games. Just god-awful.

Most people realize the White Sox can finish 20 games under .500 from here on out, and there isn't a goddamn thing Kenny Williams or Rick Hahn can do to LaRussa, as long as Jerry maintains control of the team. The White Sox finished four times in four decades under Reinsdorf with a winning record above Rick Renteria's .583 2020 mark. Time will tell if a 2021 and beyond Tony LaRussa is competent enough to even match Rick Renteria's accomplishment. The last time Tony managed 10 years ago, he cost his team a World Series game for his inability to use a phone. Nobody believes this carbon dated alcoholic misanthrope has improved in the decade since.

While most fans wish he is kicked to the curb, ASAP, as long as Jerry Reinsdorf is alive, he will ensure his Veruca Salt gets what he wants. MLB really needs a 25th Amendment, for owners and managers.

20th Century Black Sox Scandal: Eight players were charged with conspiracy to defraud during the 1919 World Series. All eight were acquitted in criminal court, but banned for life from MLB by Commissioner Landis. 21st Century Black Sox Scandal: One manager was charged a day before his hiring with driving under the influence of alcohol for the second time, after refusing a breathalyzer test, has his blood drawn hours later under court order with results of .093 BAC, significantly lower than it was at the time he drove his car into a curb, rendering it inoperable. Said manager plead guilty in criminal court, and was given a job for life by Chicago White Sox Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf. 1920: "Say it a'int so, Joe." 2020: "What did you blow, Blatto?"

You know Yawkey and Schilling, Marge Schott and Campanis Anson and Rocker, Griffith and Judge Landis But do you recall, the most famous racist of all Tony the Redneck Skipper, had another DUI Called Jerry from his jail cell, that's when he began to cry None of the other ball clubs, will give me a job again Reinsdorf said we'll smear Ricky, and bring you back to make amends On the week of Christmas Eve, Tony plead guilty Judge said "You're legit and White, by all means drive drunk tonight" No players or fans loved him, planned boycotts of Comiskey Tony the Redneck Skipper, worst hire in history

I was a big fan until August 4, 1993. Then, he gawn. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R3niGu9d_pY Super 70s Sports Looks like Starting Lineup Robin Ventura just made a big mistake ...

It’s the opposite, Hawk should be praised and have a statue for firing LaRussa. It was the lone good decision Hawk made. Tony choked year in and year out with the best teams, even as his clubs were jamming thousands of syringes in each other’s asses. I’m glad Frank Thomas is in the HOF and not sullied by LaRussa’s disgraceful steroid schemes. Tony inherited great teams built by Hemond, Anderson and Jocketty, and he pissed his pants more time than not, even as the favorite. His two World Series were as the fifth (2006) and fourth (2011) best NL teams in the respective years, the beneficiary of the grab every dollar playoff scheme letting non worthy teams in than anything LaRussa was responsible for. Ron Washington and Tony were horrible in the 2011 World Series, Tony couldn’t even use a phone. That is when he correctly retired, as the game passed him by. Ten years later, Jerry is in the graveyard digging up Tony’s 10 year dead managerial corpse. The White Sox would have likely won a World Series or two after Tony was shitcanned if Jerry and his puppet Bud didn’t decide to kill baseball with his attempt to kill the Players Union in 1994, or Jerry making stupid rash GM decisions such as firing Hemond and Dombrowski and hiring Hawk in the first place. Jerry Reinsdorf needs to stay out of White Sox business.

Are any television stations (CourtTV, MLBTV, CSN, Local Chicago Television Stations), websites (MLB / White Sox / Maricopa County Criminal Courts) or radio stations (ESPN Chicago, WSCR, WBBM, WGN) expected to broadcast the criminal court proceedings tomorrow?

Yes, the entire regular season will be conducted within the divisions (for all four). The agreement also calls on the possibility of hosting pods similar to their 2020 playoffs, either during the regular season and or playoffs. https://www.nhl.com/blackhawks/news/news-nhl-nhlpa-announce-plans-for-2020-21-regular-season-and-playoffs/c-319845006 Donald Fuhr is a tough negotiator, yet they still got this done with minimal financial damage, and maximum scheduling flexibility.

Good summary. The primary reason this and Eaton deals were pulled were to avoid spending substantial money in the open market. I don't think the Sox should sign a Springer or Bauer with their current self imposed payroll limitations. One mistake or substantial injury does not allow you to recover. That said, I would have been far more comfortable with a Pederson / Bradley Jr. signing at 2/$20M, and signing one or two SPs (C Kluber, T Walker, C Quintana, G Richards A Wainwright's) on the open market. For a trade, the better alternative would be to trade for a quality ML ready pitcher like Joe Musgrove controllable for years, coupled with a Pederson/Bradley Jr. signing. They still need at least one backend RP, and should definitely consider getting a $2-$3M catcher in the M Zunino defense first mold and/or a one year $5M-$7M DH rental like Schwarber.

The NBA, and now the NHL with a substantial Canadian presence and Count Van Count running the show have both reached agreement, the latter with far less money money to split. https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/nhl-announces-56-game-2021-season-will-start-jan-13-and-realignment-with-canadian-division/ It must be nice to be a fan of a sport where owners hold at least a modicum of honesty and integrity, and perform as professionals / adults to serve the interests of all. I expect MLB to continue as they always have, with a substantial to a majority of regular games axed once again, perhaps another playoff expansion farce, because they can, they are petty, and they want the players to have as little money as possible so they can bankrupt them, even if it destroys a couple more World Series after this year.

Give Tony a few more weeks and a blockbuster trade with Anaheim* and he will get'er done. 2021 Chicago White Sox RF A Eaton LF K Schwarber CF M Trout 1B A Pujols DH J Turner 3B J Donaldson C Y Molina SS C Owings 2B N Madrigal OF A Engel DH A Vaughn INF D Mendick C T Flowers SP T Bauer SP L Lynn SP D Keuchel SP A Wainwright SP M Kopech CL L Hendricks SU A Bummer SU T Rosenthal SU G Crochet RP D Robertson RP Z Burdi RP M Foster RP J Fry 40 Man: C Z Collins 1B J Burger 1B G Sheets INF C Owings OF A Duvall OF B Rutherford SP D Cease SP J Stiever SP C Anderson SP/RP C McHugh RP C Heuer RP T Johnson RP J Lambert RP E Marshall * = Anaheim receives L. Giolito, T. Anderson, L Robert and J. Abreu for $200M, M. Trout and A Pujols. Trades E Jimenez to Minnesota for J. Donaldson. Signs FA K Schwarber, J Turner, Y Molina, C Owings, T Flowers, T Bauer, A Wainwright, L Hendricks, T Rosenthal, D Robertson, A DuVall, C Anderson and C. McHugh.

Top Two Consecutive Seasons bWAR Leaders > 1990 (Individual Players listed once for top two years): 14.0 F. Thomas (1991-1992) 12.6 C. Sale (2013-2014) 11.5 J. Danks (2008-2009) 11.3 R. Ventura (1991-1992 & 1992-1993) 11.0 M. Buehrle (2001-2002) 10.8 M. Ordonez (2002-2003) 10.7 A. Eaton (2015-2016) 10.2 A. Fernandez (1995-1996) 10.1 T. Raines (1992-1993) 9.9 L. Johnson (1992-1993) 9.7 J. McDowell (1992-1993) 9.4 A. Ramirez (2010-2011); J. Quintana (2015-2016) 9.3 J. Vazquez (2007-2008); J. Abreu (2014-2015) 8.6 W. Alvarez (1993-1994); A. Belle (1997-1998) Single Season bWAR Leaders > 1990 (6.0+): 7.3 F. Thomas (1997) 7.2 E. Loaiza (2003) 7.1 A. Belle (1998) 7.0 F. Thomas (1991 & 1992) 6.6 A. Eaton (2016) 6.5 C. Sale (2013) 6.4 F. Thomas (1994); A. Fernandez (1996); J. Danks (2008) 6.3 T. Raines (1992) 6.2 F. Thomas (1993) & J. Vazquez (2007) 6.1 L. Johnson (1993); M. Buehrle (2007); C. Sale (2014) 6.0 R. Ventura (1992); F. Thomas (2000); M. Buehrle (2001)

It was Karen, then Karen2, followed by Karen3.

Chicago White Sox bWAR leaders over the past 30 years: Frank Thomas 77.1 Mark Buehrle 49.0 Robin Ventura 39.4 Chris Sale 30.0 Paul Konerko 29.2

Thanks, agreed. Unless there is a fundamental change in how Reinsdorf operates a team, or announces a $40m-$60m increase in payroll on a go forward basis, not sure why anyone thinks he is signing with the White Sox. I tried watching one of his videos posted here, and turned it off a few minutes in, with about a half hour remaining. Haven't watched enough to judge whether he is a dbag based on his videos, but one only needs to watch his actions/antics on the field or in the clubhouse to reach that conclusion.

There is a good article on Thursday linked below regarding some of the ramifications of this change. https://www.mlb.com/news/how-negro-leagues-stats-may-change-baseball-leaderboards Some major changes include: Josh Gibson’s .461 now the all time highest batting average for a season. Josh Gibson’s .361 career batting average now second all time behind Ty Cobb’s .367. Josh Gibson’s career 200 OPS + second all time to Babe Ruth. 24 additional No Hitters, including a new Opening Day no hitter by Leon Day. Minnie Minoso’s updated hit total to 2,117. Updated RBI totals pushing Roy Campanella (1,027) and Larry Doby (1,099) over the 1,000 mark.

The thing most confusing in this back and forth today is how enabling and rewarding driving drunk, or opposition to drunk driving is somehow political. Tony’s arrest and likely conviction and sentencing in two days is newsworthy, likely the last bit of official White Sox news this year. It’s much more newsworthy than the thousands of posts cluttering every thread dissecting various pathetic fake fast food Twitter accounts.

Tony LaRussa's sentencing, prison term, and hopefully mugshot and arrest and jail cell videos are likely the lone news coming out regarding the White Sox next week. Well that and continued silence or some brief statement by the team regarding their recidivist criminal manager on Christmas Day when everyone else is preoccupied.

I hope both are brought along slowly in the minors, until they are ready to be called up and pitch without restrictions for the rest of the season. I am confident Katz will develop a solid 2021 game plan, with the objective to have both ready to start the 2022 season without restrictions. The Sox have enough depth now to get to June or July using Cease and Lopez until then. Adding one more starter ensures the team doesn’t have to deviate in the event of a major injury over the first several starts of the season. Win now should mean a window over the next 4-5 years, not win this year or bust before Jerry and/or Tony die.

Go Fund Yourself. https://southpark.cc.com/episodes/q743k3/south-park-go-fund-yourself-season-18-ep-1

Might still be a better option. Carlton Fisk 1986 dWAR -0.2 (31 games LF & 71 C) Eloy Jimenez is already a -2.0 dWAR after 168 games. Would of played more but gets hurt trying every few months.

Would have loved a Wacha, Renfro, Zunino package over Eaton + $1M.