Rounding_Third

Yeah, for 4 yr $58m deal. C'mon.

So I missed this and just read that Stl offer was 1 yr under $5m. Wow! So if Sox offer is $5-6, StL would not match? Maybe so. Pretty cheap of them, if true. If I was a Cardinal fan, I'd be pretty ticked off if that happened.

Not the same scenario. StL claims they want him back and have proven it by making him an offer, albeit an unknown $. Lester didn't play his entire career with Cubs. 15 seasons for Wainwright in Stl carries a heck of a lot of good will.

I'd be ok with his signing, too. But I don't understand why StL wouldn't sign him for this $. They publicly stated they want him back, He said he wanst to finish there, too. His goodwill value alone is substantial. If they don't match it, why? Do they know something that makes them feel that he'd not be worth $5-6m? it doesn't smell right.

StL would match that in a heartbeat. The Wainwright rumor make absolutely no sense unless the Sox overpay so badly that StL says take him.

Dateline June15th, 2021: The Boston Red Sox announced they've placed Garrett Richards on the 21 day DL with shoulder tendonitis.

yeah agreed, prob more a pitch count by type than innings. If (they) can successfully navigate this season then full speed, no limit in 2022. That's why I would like to see him in the long reliever/spot start roles this year. They can utilize him effectively while stretching out his season as long as possible. Guessing maybe a stop at 130-150 innings whatever that pitch count would be.

I believe they'll have a max inning on Kopech. I wouldn't expect him to finish the season if he's a regular 5 day starter and consistently goes >=5 innings in most starts. Whether he comes up mid season or not, it doesn't matter, he'll still going to get shut down if he hits that number, whatever it may be. Ironically, success will eventually shut him down.

Assuming Cease is the 5th starter, how else would you use Kopech? I believe he would probably be shut down at a certain innings/pitches count, anyway. As a long reliever/spot starter, he can get his innings.

Same for me. When he was mentioned, I just glossed over his career, liked it, but said just a comment or two. Last night dug deeper and he blew me away with his 6+ inning consistency. He's a bullpen saver. Just quietly gets the job done. I can see scenarios when he throws 6 or 7 innings ( a lot), Sox have a 5 run lead, and let Kopech finish the last 2 or 3 innings.

After going through a bunch of names, it's become clear to me who the Sox should target; Mike Leake, with the caveat that he can be gotten for <$10 this year and/or even in a 2-3 deal. 2 + 1 maybe? He has incredible consistency and durability his entire career with virtually no injuries whatsoever and none with his arm. His last 3 years (opt out 2020) are a reflection of his entire career. year era starts >=6 inn % >=6 >=7 <5 2017 3.92 31 22 71% 10 4 2018 4.36 31 22 71% 9 3 2019 4.29 32 23 72% 9 1 Basically he goes 6 and gives up <=3 ER 70% of his starts. He does that with this BO, could easily win 15. He should probably have his own thread.

This doesn't make sense. Unless the Sox ridiculously overpay, wouldn't StL just match any reasonable offer?

Romine to Cubs. Another good $1.5m BUC off the board.

Stop with the Sox Schaumburg camp!

Yep, he definitely meets the criteria I asked. However, there were some circumstances that moved him up so quickly. He did spend 122 games in MiLB where he cranked it at a .362 clip. He was progressing normally from A to A+ to AA when an injury to Howie Kendrick and a thin Nats OF forced his call up from AA ball. Had that not occurred, its very likely he would have met the 150 game criteria and also a full season. If Vaughn hits .350+ over 120+ MiLB games he'd be that much closer than he is now.

It doesn't matter. There're still going to try to get him a full MiLB 2021 season before making any decisions. Even RH alluded to that.

I am also very bullish on Vaughn. But I also challenge anyone to name at least 1 non-pitcher in the last 10 years who hasn't spent at least 1 full competitive season and/or 150-200 games working their way up the MiLB ladder; or Japan & Cuba (other?) leagues with whom MLB holds in high regard. White Sox intrasquad is not competitive baseball and I doubt if it carries much weight. Its just the way baseball is run. Orgs just don't start the FA clock with so little to go on. Vaughn is probably on a fast track as much as anyone ever has but he'll still have to pay his dues and prove he's ready.

Terrible news! What a hero! Endured so much! RIP Mr. Aaron!

= Lots and lots of >6 inning starts. Lots of guys can have nice inning totals and still not do that consistently. He does it better than most. Efficient with his pitches.

All you Leake'rs, nice option. Like him. Not sure if he'd be any cheaper though. At least a half dozen of these guys will probably sign for basically the $ give or take a mil unless Q takes a discount with Sox. Hopefully they find the one who outshines the rest.

His era kept improving through his full SP years; 15 through '17 until TJ. For most of that time, Richards' velocity was zero! Too many meaningless analytics. Just give me they guy who's best at keeping runs from crossing the plate over the longest # of innings vs his salary.

Is it just my perception or isn't notorious for getting ahead early in the count then picking at and missing the edges until 6-7 pitches later 2-2 & 3-2 counts? If so, this seems like it could be easily corrected by STOP DOING THAT!

2018 gives me glimmer of hope. If not SP, maybe give him a shot at long R. But if he's traded, I'd get over it quickly. Added: if he's traded and does well then no fault to RH. ReyLo got chance after chance.

This. I'd throw SH Asdrubal Cabrera in there too; a cheaper version of La Stella (2/3 discount) with good power from left side.

ReyLo's so very interesting. He's got the stuff. Sone day its going to click for him. Sox and others know it. It makes him good trade material and good to keep. Obviously, I'm right down the middle with him.