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QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 04:45 AM) Christ man, you really are delusional. This will be my last response. KW isn't the manager, Ozzie is. Ozzie makes the lineup. Ozzie has had a fully capable replacement for Rios in De Aza since 7/27, yet Rios has played in 27 games since then. Unacceptable, plain and simple. Rios should have been the 5th OF as of 7/27. That is totally and completely on Ozzie and NOBODY else. As for Dunn, he also has had a perfectly capable replacement sitting on the bench in Lilibridge. 8/1 should have been the last Dunn ever saw the field. But good ol' Ozzie kept him in there, seemingly to spite KW. In his final stroke of genius, ol' spark-plug Ozzie used Vicedo as some sort of 4th grade girl way of getting back at KW. KW knew Ozzie wouldn't play him, so he remained in AAA while Dunn and Rios lined the boxscores with K's and weak grounders to SS. By defending him, you're agreeing that it's more important for our manager to have a cat fight with our GM than to put the best team on the field. I know you won't understand that, but that's what you're doing. I guess our main disagreement is I feel a manager has to play the guys who are making zillions of dollars and you don't. I can't believe I don't get more support on this from others cause I feel strongly my position is correct.

QUOTE (klaus kinski @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 02:05 PM) Rios is everything people hate about this team-Rowand was everything people loved about our team, enuf said. I dunno about that. There's been a lot of Rowand hate on here in past seasons.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 04:58 AM) When he's not publicly leveraging his boss for more money, he's insulting his team's chances against a divisional rival in a pennant race. Seriously, how much longer do we have to endure this idiot?! Hopefully 20 more years. The guy speaks the truth and people blast him. Some of you won't be happy until we get a grumpy ol manager like Ned Yost who won't say anything except "we take them one game at a time." Then you'll all be happy I guess. I applaud anything negative Ozzie has to say about these losers. You think talk means anything to these millionaires? They just go out and play every day. This Sox team doesn't deserve any long Ozzie speech about how we are still in the race, we can beat Detroit, blah blah. I love his colorful comments. They are way better than the cliches the rest of the managers spout daily. Detroit is not going to be any more fired up against us because of anything the Sox say. If the Sox hit home runs and pitch well they will win. If they do not hit home runs they will lose. And some of you really are gonna be mad cause look for Flowers to sit soon and look for DeAza to be sitting as well.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 04:53 AM) Only way they sit is if Ozzie is not the manager Jenks do you even blame Kenny for acquiring Rios, Dunn and Peavy or is this all on Ozzie?

QUOTE (docsox24 @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 09:45 PM) nice research terrible hitting what are the numbers since say july or so when it was clear these guys were never going to hit this year and a change should have been made? Just like it was clear Juan was never going to hit and a change was not made? You guys hate my arguments. I hate one of your most unreasonable arguments. I can't believe some people don't understand you just don't sit Dunn and Rios. They are going to play and play a lot next season ... and the season after that. They are going to start and play regardless of performance. And yes they will ruin next season as well. Only way they might sit is if the new manager and GM have a sit down with Jerry and just tell him, "We didn't acquire these two guys. We don't want to play them AT ALL." Or perhaps the new manager won't even take the job if he has to play the two. Aside from that, you have to play them.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 07:31 PM) It would be nice of you to actually quote something out of these imagined scenarios you present. QUOTE (WHITESOXRANDY @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 07:40 PM) It's not going to matter who the White Sox manager is next year. They still have Dunn, Rios and Peavy. And worse, still have Kenny Williams making deals. QUOTE (Wanne @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 07:46 PM) Actually it was against Pavano. He was 0-17 against him. Can't remember who he hit the dingers off of the day before... 1.) Wanna did it for me. Sorry I forgot the particulars. But yes there was a meltdown when Ozzie correctly played the splits regarding sitting Quentin. Let's face it. Ozzie can do no right either way with most on this board. 2. Exactly, Randy. You can't win with Dunn n Rios n Peavy ruining the salary structure of the team. Can't happen.

QUOTE (Tex @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 10:22 AM) Because some on the board realize that players have to play. couldn't win consistently with the types of seasons some very key players have had. QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 04:30 PM) I dont see this comparison at all really. Skiles is a hard worker, demands hard work and accountability, and the NBA is a completely different beast when it comes to those types of coaches. Ozzie is a loose, loud mouth, "if you play good you are find with me" type of coach. Obviously accountability isnt among his strong suits, considering some of the bad players he has forced in the lineup in the past 6 years 1.) Exactly. I think he's a manager of the year candidate if we somehow finished five over .500 with so many guys having bad seasons. KW really is off the hook with some of you because he gave one quote that said Ozzie could bench the guys making money if he wanted to. it doesn't work that way. Dunn, Rios and Peavy are wastes of space that he had to play because of their salaries. 2.) A loose loud mouth? Ozzie hasn't even come close to blasting Dunn this season for his crappiness and he showed good compassion to Thornton this year when Matt was blowing game after game early on. He also never buried Juan. He's a player's manager. I think you guys are wrong for wanting to show Ozzie the door after he gained all this experience on the South Side. He's going to have a LaRussa like career before all is said and done in terms of longevity and he'll win some more WS as well. If he wins one or two more he could be considered one of the greatest managers of all time and at his age, there's a chance he could do that whether you guys believe it or not.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 06:29 PM) LOL, you think people are going to start losing their jobs on September 5th? Really? After we get swept I think Jerry will start finalizing plans to dump both KW and Oz. The two feuders dug their own graves so to speak with their inability to work together. They had time to patch things up; they didn't. Both gawn.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 05:40 PM) I hope both of these happen. Also, as long as our next manager is aware of splits and can actually understand what they mean, I'll be somewhat happy. I just can't believe in this era of information that there are managers who openly acknowledge they don't use statistics to help make decisions. QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 06:04 PM) Production from Rios and especially Dunn were givens. I also think the Hudson trade hurts Williams here. 1.) I can't remember the player but I remember this board freaking out one game when Ozzie did use splits. I think it was Quentin he sat a game after he hit two homers or something because he was 0-for-20 against the pitcher and this board freaked out. Ozzie can't win on this board EVER except from a few of us. 2.) Rios?? KW should be fired now for picking up Rios. Nobody in baseball wanted Rios.

After this weekend it finally is over. I would think Jerry will start the housecleaning after this weekend series.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 01:25 PM) Well, if we can't change the players...why not change the manager and coaching staff and see if we can find a combination that gets through to those guys? Otherwise we're just sitting there pouting. QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 02:17 PM) But you don't....you seem to think it's just a matter of trading Dunn and Rios to free up money. 1.) That's what Jerry surely will do. Hopefully they wake up. 2.) I realize nobody will take Peavy and Dunn and Rios. They are so bad no team will take them and their bloated contracts. What I'm saying is it's a damn shame we can't keep Mark and Quentin because of money when those 3 wastes of space are making so much. I can understand the economics without thinking it is sad and bulls***.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 12:35 AM) I saw that yesterday and now even more responses but still surprises me how many think he should have the job for as long as he wants or wait until this season and next plays out. Maybe even shocks me. The average Sox fan obviously isn't an internet message board user. Ozzie is not hated by most. Nobody has yet proven to me how a team can have a better record than we have with Peavy, Rios and Dunn.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 03:29 AM) So in other words, you don't understand. So we can't afford Quentin, so we'll go with DeAza, Rios and Tank. Well Rios ruins our team's chances in that scenario and along with Dunn n Jake we have a .500 team or a few games below again next year just like this year. So I do get it.

QUOTE (La Marr Hoyt HOF @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 03:36 AM) An average (strong statement) shortstop: career .264 AVG 28 HRs 169 SBs (108 CS) and an overrated fielder in 16 MLB seasons. Only 2 playoff performances as a manager of one of the highest payroll clubs in a lousy division in his tenure as manager including an '05 club that won despite him and had chemistry because of players like Rowand and Crede who truly kept the clubhouse 'loose' according to most recounts of our miraculous run. I don't get it. After games like tonight (8/31), who actually can still support this guy? Not to mention a foul-mouthed jerk....... I like Ozzie. In my mind he was a good shortstop and a fun player to follow. I wouldn't call him an overrated fielder either. He was a good fielder. People on this board act like he hit like Mark Belanger and fielded like Bee Bee Richard. He was a good player. Our 05 team won in spite of him ... sure it did. Bulls***. He led us to the city's only WS title in about 80 years. I think his quotes are funny. And he's young. He's learned a lot here. It ain't really his fault he can't work with KW. The two are like oil and water. Those are facts. I hope they both get canned, not just one. Because of that they deserve to get axed. Jerry should have yelled at them both last year and said if they didn't grow up and work together and meet once a week in a civil setting they were GONE. But Oz WAS a good player and IS a good manager ... IMO.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 10:53 PM) Because certain people actually understand how payroll and contracts work? I know how payroll works. I would rather pay guys who actually give a f*** like Quentin and actually produce over hacks like Peavy, Dunn and Rios. It's not my fault our GM acquired those wastes of money. There is absolutely no reason for the hatred on Quentin on this site. By all accounts he's a gamer and has good stats!

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 10:03 PM) Something the last week has made me realize is just how much I love the effort of Konerko, Lillibridge, De Aza, Buehrle, Sale and Santos this year. Even when some of them have struggled, they kept a great attitude. Fathom u are a kinder gentler fan now that you had the baby. This season has angered me beyond belief. You are now calm except for Ozzeroo.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 07:53 PM) They're going to have a starting pitcher end up with 22-23 wins likely and a perfect closer on the year (at this point). If this was the Twins a year ago, everyone would be saying they have a great shot to advance to the World Series. Tigers have a much better team than we do and it'll finally officially be over after that weekend series. As far as Ozzie, he probably wants to go manage Florida. He'll be happy when he gets canned cause Dunn n Rios n Peavy are going nowhere and you can't win with those 3 contract albatrosses.

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 03:29 PM) I can't explain it because he made the all-star game, and he's been a road warrior...but I really don't care if I ever see Q in a Sox uniform again. Viciedo is the future, and I'm happy to see him playing. I get tired of these posts where fans for some inexplicable reason don't want good players like Quentin on their team any more. How bout an outfield of Tank, DeAza and CQ next year. That would not be bad. I know Dayan is good but why do people always tire of guys on the current roster? It again is the backup quarterback syndrome. Rios is the dog that should go away; CQ should stay!

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 06:06 AM) His best years we're 04-08. They are not a head of him. You know how young Ozzie is? This is getting rid of a guy way too young. Because of the fact he and Kenny can't get along, they both can't complain if they are shown the door though.

I didn't watch the early innings. Did Zach stink? Is he toast?

QUOTE (jwmann2 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 05:22 AM) I said the same thing in another topic. Losing weight will help his confidence. He needs to be swinging for the fences every single appearance at the plate, its what he's paid to do. Is he really gonna lose weight? Why would he do that? Is he like 40 pounds heavier than last year? Hasn't he always been a biggie?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 04:44 AM) Because he's cocky and arrogant while losing. If we finish over .500 the country is going to view it as the Marlins getting a steal. They get a WS winning manager whose best years are ahead of him as he's still very young. And the Sox wouldn't extend him? Crazy. We could still have a s*** September and all will look fine in canning Ozzie. But Sox potentially could be mocked over this one if we have a good month.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 04:38 AM) I can't think of a single solitary poster on this board that said keeping Viciedo in the minors was the correct thing to do. Names or you're hallucinating. Edit: greg and elrockin don't count. I always wanted them to call up Viciedo. I wanted him up that series before the all-star break. Really wanted him up before the NY/Boston fiascos. I did say I knew they wouldn't bring him up cause Oz loves Juan and because of Dunn there was nowhere to put Dayan. I even suggested Dayan return to third (when Morel was sucking eggs) and got crucified for that. But I always wanted him up. --anybody else noticed Oz hasn't played Omar lately. Thank god. There's gonna be a meltdown on here cause Dunn figures to be back in the lineup soon and AJ too. The new-guy mojo may be ending soon. And when CQ comes back either no Tank or DeAza. There still are a lotta issues. I truly think we are not in the race after this weekend vs. Detroit. Too many issues. p.s. I loved when Minnie threw that ground ball into the outfield to score the runs to tie it. That was awesome. Great to beat Minnie 5 in a row.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 02:00 AM) You know what sucks about this all? Today should have been a good day for the Sox organization with them making up ground while getting contributions from young guys as well as Buehrle pitching a gem. Instead, Ozzie's posse decide today would be a good day to complain in the media about how all of this, and today was a real crappy day for Sox fans. You can no longer use the "he's trying to take the negative attention off of the players" BS excuse. Cmon. It's not like they are making up a ton of ground where it's some reason for celebration. This is big business and I applaud Ozzie for answering questions honestly. How can you not love this guy with this quote: "And I am a good manager, even if people don’t think I am. Cocky and arrogant, but there are worse guys out there than me.” He is awesome. Sign him up. Move KW upstairs or whatever. Promote Hahn.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 30, 2011 -> 10:29 PM) Easy. Didn't Ozzie tell you he had balls? All he has to do is show Dunn the stat sheet where it says Dunn .163 and show Rios the same sheet. It will say Rios .212 and also note Alex doesn't seem very interested in playing , and when he played them everyday, he still was hitting them 4th or 5th. You'll never admit it, but Ozzie has had a bad year with the line up card. Cmon. The new manager will have Dunn batting third or fourth to open next season and Rios starting in center. Unless the GM figures a way to dump them both or convince Jerry it'd be wise to start over with the new GM/manager and just release them.