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Can you imagine how juiced our fan base would be if they sent Juan down and gave the lf job to Lilly/Dayan and Lilly spell Rios in center 2-3 times a week as well?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 12, 2011 -> 02:13 AM) Well....I guess the Lillibridge catch sort of cancels out the loss from last night. Baseball, an amazing game. Good job by Crain to come back from down in the count and man up instead of putting runners on 1st and 2nd with only 1 out. That's true, but don't you wanna get greedy and demand we win both of 'em?

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jun 12, 2011 -> 02:13 AM) ovah; W -- Danks (2-8) S -- Lillibridge (5) Amen. He's earned the job. Juan got beat out. Just give it to Lilly/Dayan.

Crain battled back nicely! And take it back, you guys who wanted Thornton. Crain actually did a nice job.

Oops there are 2 strikes, my bad

QUOTE (Yoda @ Jun 12, 2011 -> 02:09 AM) Can I admit and say that not one guy in our bullpen really has the "stuff" to make the other team think "we're screwed"? Yes you can say that. But Sergio was good a while. BTW, Dejesus never steals bases and he's gonna try to clip one here.

The crowd knows we're f***ed cause of Crain.

If we blow this against the s***ty A's, I'm going to become an 8 inning Sox fan.

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Jun 12, 2011 -> 02:51 AM) BigEd likes this. Actually play Lilly 3 days in left and three in center. Dayan four in left.

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Jun 12, 2011 -> 02:46 AM) But we don't don't do it well. Agreed.

Nice catch. Juan obviously doesn't make the catch.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 12, 2011 -> 02:45 AM) Dadgummmmit, Greg. See, look what happens when we leave Danks in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah I figured he was pulled when he freaked out.

What do ya know? A bunt. On the road, down one late. The correct call even tho some Sox fans explode when we do it.

Late game bulls***. One on nobody out.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 12, 2011 -> 02:37 AM) So you're saying we should completely eliminate our bullpen and throw complete games every night? Danks did his job. How many pitches did he throw? Now it's up to the other guys, all earning over a million a year, except Sale.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 12, 2011 -> 01:40 AM) Greg, Lillibridge does his job and reads the same ball that get the lead runner over to 3rd, he's standing on 2nd and you're cheering Alexei for doing his job by not striking out or popping up. Then it's 3-1 with another runner on 3rd with two outs. Totally different situation. I don't blame Alexei. That's arguably two runs (one offensively, one defensively) that he's cost us tonight. The chickens are starting to come home to roost with Lillibridge getting extended play over a long period of time. There was no way he wasn't going to cool down offensively. Yeah I wondered about Lilly not taking second. I would suspect he, like the catcher, just didn't see the ball kick away. But I do blame Lexi cause he's not thinking. Hit a f***ing fly ball there. Drive something to right field, a fly ball!

These are the opportunities that bite us in the butt late in games when we piss them away.

How could Lexi not hit a fly ball there? Geezus. Stupid baseball. made to order DP. Fail by a good hitter. Fail.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 08:15 PM) Maybe it's time to become a fan of another team then For true Sox fans, that's impossible. It's in the blood, especially if you grew up on the Southside. I don't know why people can't understand the frustration this particular season. And it's finally showing up apparently in attendance figures. I know all teams struggle at times and many teams (KC) are way worse than the Sox, but this team is actually pretty good on paper. Its mindboggling bad start (coupled with last year's bad start and the way the team started the second half last year), ways to blow games and inability to beat Central Division teams, to me at least, has really irritated me more than usual this season. We probably should just shut up, but it's hard to not vent on here ad nauseum. Just as some people even after the worst possible defeat, express blind optimism. The way we can leave the dark side, is if we join the masses that figure we are in a pathetic division, and ultimately, no matter how bad the Sox play, they will play well enough to win this pathetic division and at that point could get hot in the playoffs. Dunn, Rios and even Peavy at that point would be starting from scratch with a chance to carry the team to another WS title. That a couple good stretches will guarantee that. That is truly possible, but for those of us darksiders, it's hard to embrace that right now for some reason.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 08:08 PM) And they're not giving up on Rios or Dunn. Especially now that Rios has overhauled his hand position and is suddenly hitting tons of balls up the middle. What's this about Rios' hand position? Haven't heard a word about the change. Explain please. I still wish he'd go away but if he starts hitting that would really really help the team reach .500.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 06:47 PM) It's not like Santos has been pitching his entire life...he's one of the five least experienced pitchers in baseball, if not #1 in that category. I think letting him absorb HUGE defeats and numbers of pitches thrown in the 3 bad outings that Sergio has had this year has been more deflating for his confidence than if Ozzie would have had the earlier hook. It's one thing if Santos had been the closer for 2-3 seasons, it's only been 4-5 weeks though, in this case. When you just have that feeling in the pit of your stomach that the guy's just has ZERO confidence out there...well, obviously the opposing batters sensed the momentum of that entire inning and it became a self-fulfilling prophecy. Especially when you're down to the last batter (in the LAD game) or strike, you have to sense the other team is going to start feeding on the blood in the water when any life is breathed into them. You have to cut off the arm or leg to save the body in that situation. We'll see what happens, but personally I feel even less confident now in Santos because of the way Ozzie has handled him since he became the closer. The A's had lost 10 in a row. He needed one out. My god. The A's "feeding on the blood in the water?" The A's, who are on the road losers of 10 in a row? Sergio f***ed up. It happens. But like somebody said. If the sox brought in one of those other rag arms and the inevitable fail happened, you would crucify Ozzie the same. Second guessing leaving in a closer IMO is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Truthfully I can't believe some A's player didn't hit a bullet at third or line smash right at an outfielder and we get lucky and still win the game. It really is difficult to blow a game like that. The odds are astronomical you blow a 2 run lead with 2 out and nobody on.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 07:21 PM) With Peavy seemingly on the "forget about counting on him for the rest of his contract" list now...is there any move left for KW to shake up this team? He really can't trade a starter at this point, there's nobody behind Santos who looks like they could possibly close (Sale is the closest, and we saw how well he did yesterday...just terribly inconsistent this season)...and Konerko/Quentin/Ramirez are essentially the only everyday players (along with Beckham) that any sane GM for another team would want to take on unless we send 75% of their contract dollars along with them, what would you do? There's obviously no back-up for Ramirez, unless you count Escobar...and that would be a stretch to forecast him as an everyday player. I guess Lillibridge would be the best candidate there, as you wouldn't dream of moving Gordon yet again. In some ways, trading Konerko/Quentin at their highest value (especially Quentin) would be borderline insane (from a fan standpoint but also competitiveness standpoint), and yet with Viciedo backing up both, that's the only area we have any depth in our organization... You just start to wonder how much more apathetic our fanbase has to become before some kind of move is made. Still can't believe that we barely drew 20,000 on a Friday night when we've been playing some of our "best" ball of the season and are actually legitimately close to being back in the division race, even though we've now failed miserably in our 3 opportunities to get back to 2 games under .500 in heart-rending fashion. Nice post. It's hard to blame 20 more fans for not wanting to see this dysfunctional team. I mean it is really difficult to blow a game with a two run lead in the ninth and two outs and nobody on base. The fans were standing and applauding for the final out that came way too late. I'd start trading guys as soon as I could get a "good deal." First up is Juan. Next up is Rios. Next up Dunn. Next AJ. Next Edwin. Next up Danks. I realize the amount of money we'd have to pay for anybody to take these guys makes it difficult to trade them, and I realize nobody probably wants Juan or AJ but IF you could get a deal, start dealing. I didn't even list Peavy, but obviously if anybody was dumb enough to take him, he's right at the top as well. I figured nobody to be that dumb.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 05:01 PM) Exactly. It was obvious to absolutely everyone watching the game that Santos was done and wouldn't get anyone else out. Just another example of Guillen not having any sense of what was happening out on the field and reacting too late. He truly is a terrible in game manager. I just truly wish we would fire Ozzie to please you people. Please please KW fire Ozzie. Now you are second guessing leaving in a closer. Now I have seen everything. God I wish they'd fire Ozzie just to see you people rip the next manager as well. You don't take out your closer (until after he blows the save). You all know this BTW. You are too smart to not know this. If that double off the wall was a deep shot caught by Rios, you'd all be happy. If he gets one lucky pitch on two strikes past oh, four or five batters, you'd be content. Sergio f***ed up. It happens. But take him out? Sure.

I think he'll make two, cause the first game he'll only go about 4 innings I bet. Next game he'll go 7 or whatever.

QUOTE (MAX @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 04:08 AM) Why even insult Edwin? He had nothing to do with this loss. Should have gotten the W. Maybe we are supposed to take the question "how did we lose this game?" literally? Because I don't think you know. This isn't a flame, but are you concerned he only had one strike out against the pathetic A's? What's up with that? I didn't see the game til right after he exited. Has he still got good stuff?