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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 07:48 PM) What would you say to Steve if you saw him in his Dunn jersey shirt at a game? "Hi Steve, if it is really you from the Sox board, I'll buy you a beer."

I got in this trouble here by saying that lineup isn't so hot cause of the black hole in the lineup and I included Omar and not Beckham. I like Omar but I still think he's close to my description. I'm not trying to bag on Omar. I'm just responding to that one post about the lineup and now I'm an Omar hater getting flamed for that. It's not like I started a thread saying, 'Dump Omar; Beckham is a god'

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 08:31 PM) Except that over the last two years the more Omar has played the better his numbers have been, not worse. If you guys think Omar is the greatest, fine. I still say he's a black hole in the lineup. Black hole might be too strong a word, but any team starting Omar Vizquel regularly is a team in a world of hurt.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 7, 2011 -> 03:40 PM) I have a Dunn jersey shirt. I've worn it once since he returned from that appendectomy. I wonder what would happen if you wore it to a game this week. Would some of the fans laugh at your or jeer you, or just shut up and let it be?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 08:24 PM) Omar has 86 AB this year and 391 last year. Keep those numbers in perspective. I do realize the at bat discrepancy, but I would counter to say if he played as much as Beckham he would hit about .150. He'd run out of gas.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 07:33 PM) (Gene Honda) Robin VEN-TOUR-AH Many of you guys would fry a new manager over the coals just as you do Ozzie because in any loss there are a zillion things to second guess and b**** about and the new guy would make the same mistakes in your eyes. i.e. taking out the starter too late; wrong selection of relief pitchers, playing the guy(s) you think are stiffs, bunting, having a hit and run go bad or a squeeze bunt go bad. I'm not defending Ozzie, he should have been fired already this season for letting a team with this payroll suck so badly, but trust me you will fry the next manager as well. You think the next manager is going to please you with most or even many of his decisions?? Uh, Robin Ventura will do that? sure.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 05:04 PM) LOL, you are calling Beckham a good hitter, but Omar a black hole? Have you been watching White Sox baseball the last two seasons? Oh please. Gordon has some pop in his bat and is a threat at the plate. Omar has 7 RBI this year, 30 last year, hits .275-280 which is fabulous for a guy that old. But you don't think he's a black hole? He strikes fear in any pitcher alive??

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 02:18 PM) I defended him because it wasn't his fault that his field of vision didn't allow him to see a ball was dropped in the OF. However, last night Juan f***ed us yet again with his awful range in left field. F*ck him, I'm done with him. Juan Pierre finally died last night in my book, and now I'm subject to seeing him get the most at bats of anyone on our entire roster the rest of the way out because Ozzie is a hard-headed idiot. Some of you guys seem to take this too seriously, but to each his own. Died last night in your book? He's not dead in my book. He's going to play every game basically. Ozzie said that less than a week ago.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 04:48 AM) You act as if we're discriminating. There's a 270 reply thread detailing the disaster that has been Alex Rios on the front page. And Dunn has been taking it up the ass like Jodie Foster did in The Accused. But at least Dunn is fun bad. JP is just bad. Well if they don't call up Dayan after tonight, they never will. Of course, Oz just a day or so ago said something like 'juan will be in there every day.' Why are they letting Dayan waste away? He's major league ready wasting his hits in the minors.

It's Viciedo time. Make him the first of what could be many changes this year.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 04:47 AM) He sucks. I don't care how nice or how much of an ass someone is...as long as they help the Sox win. Pierre's had an absolutely brutal season this year. Yes but so have Dunn, Rios. AJ and Morel have not been stellar. You can't bat everybody ninth. I already said I want Dayan to play left. He can't butcher it much worse than Juan, but I suspect he will be just a tad worse than Juan out there.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 05:02 AM) I bet we see this lineup tomorrow Pierre, Ramirez, Quentin, Konerko, AJP, Rios, Dunn, Beckham, Omar The problem with that lineup is the black hole of AJP, Rios and Dunn. Then a good hitter followed by another black hole. I do realize AJ and Omar have gotten some hits.

Isn't it safe to say Crain isn't anything special and another reason we are not potentially more than a .500 team (on the high end). I mean Crain is serviceable, but he's not anything to write home about IMO.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 03:20 AM) Just when you thought this man (little girl, actually) couldn't play baseball any worse. He somehow, someway, defies the law of what level a typical major leaguer should play at, at the minimum. Less than 4 months left until this clown is gone. I've already started the countdown. He's always had no arm, but now he has no range, so it's a perfect time to call up Dayan. Everybody would say it's time. You really truly hate Juan. He's bad, but I don't think he deserves the venom of your first post in the thread. He's by all accounts not a bad guy. He's kind of likeable in interviews I think.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 03:20 AM) Lilli and Rios should be in left and center and pierre as the 4th OF can't give up the steller lead off man though QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 03:29 AM) We draft terribly, we develop terribly, and spend nothing on Latin American players (even though most of them LOVE Ozzie). It's scary looking a few years into the future, but hopefully the new General Manager will have a better plan for running an organization. 1.) Since Juan's defense is officially s***ty, I'd rather have Dayan in left even if he is a butcher (Juan's bad, too), Lilly platooning with Rios in center (cause Rios is as bad a hitter as Juan) and CQ in right. Juan can play twice a week for Dayan. 2.) Hopefully the new GM has a better plan. The Royals may have a great GM, but it's still a 5-year or more plan. Can we stand bad baseball for five-plus years?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 06:51 PM) The sounds you hear are English teachers every committing suicide And Spanish teachers love him, so what's the big deal.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 6, 2011 -> 01:38 PM) Jose Guillen? That might be the most inapt comparison I've ever heard, unless you are alleging Rios is a juicer. No, I'm alleging Rios like Guillen has bad body language and is lazy and a cancer. And I meant just as the Royals were stuck with Guillen until somehow they shipped him to SF we are the same way stuck with Rios.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 12:43 AM) Jake Peavy is the ultimate battler. I am sure he feels absolutely terrible about how things have worked out for him so far in Chicago. I hope he gets back soon and wins some ballgames for us I would think that definitely is the case. I think he does want to earn his salary, his keep. Hopefully his body will someday heal and stay healed.

Humber has been so amazing. He deserves credit for saving his career. And I'd assume Coop helped him along the way? This guy has been rock solid all first half thus far. If he keeps this up, could he somehow make the all star team?? Morel. Sale. CQ has 15 home runs; Paulie 14. That's pretty damn good. Is Omar the oldest player in baseball history to slug a triple? I'd assume Julio Franco probably whacked several triples in his late 40s. We win w/out Dunn n Rios in the lineup. Interesting.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 02:28 AM) Dunn will still end up with 40+ HRs by end of season Are you being serious? Do you realize he'd have to plaster 35 home runs to do that? If he hits 35 home runs the rest of the season then by golly we will win this division. No doubt about that.

QUOTE (T R U @ Jun 7, 2011 -> 08:24 PM) Why do you insist on giving season grades and harping on being back in the loss column 1/3 into the season? Baseball is a marathon, not a race.. True. I only harp on the loss column when people say we are six out. Why do people bring that up as well if it's so early?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 7, 2011 -> 02:28 PM) Of course I use the eye test greg - you must have missed my Quentin thread a week ago. I've done the same thing with Dunn. I've looked at the extremely limited video I have, as well as the limited unpaid time I have (*erHEM* Sox people), and I see absolutely no difference in swing from year to year to year. I thought I saw something from 09 to 11, but it turned out to be a fan's glove in the background. Players who have extremely long swings like Dunn have a tendency to go through extreme streaks. The first three relatively current players I can think of are Jim Thome, Ryan Howard, and Mark Reynolds. Thome doesn't work quite as well because, though he does have a long swing, he [f***ing STILL, to this very day, at the ripe age of 40] gets it through the zone quicker than Dunn does - there's a reason why his career batting average is .277 when he strikes out almost 25%, and that's all predicated upon bat speed and bat control. He has always been superior to Dunn in that regard, but Dunn got $10 mill more a year with an additional 3 years because he can actually stay healthy and has proven to produce similar results in the past. Considering Thome has been on the DL twice already this year, you'd be pissed if the Sox were paying him $13 mill. I seem to recall you being pissed at Thome as it was. Beyond this point, I will not nor would I suggest anyone else debate the White Sox (stupid, dumbass, moronic, f*** Mark Kotsay, I mean really Mark f***ing Kotsay?) decision to not pursue Thome last season. Ryan Howard, through the first 47 games of 2008 (zOMG, Dunn is more than 47 games in!!!) put up a .183/.289/.396/.686 line. His OPS was at .608 10 games previous to that, so he had been on a bit of a hot streak. Mark Reynolds line from all of 2010 was .198/.320/.433/.753. I would suggest this as the worst case scenario, but I believe that Dunn has a better eye at the plate than Reynolds, so I would suggest that .200/.335/.430/.765 is about the absolute worst that can be expected upon out of Dunn. The power is ever so slightly down, but that's mostly due to me trying to round to easily addable numbers. His worst case could be .762 or .768 or .757...hell, I don't know. He's not going to be this bad all year - I KNOW that. Eddie Guardado's right handed version needs to come out to pitch in extra innings with the Sox down by 1 at home so he can tie it up. He'll come through it. We will probably see it in a key at bat at some point in the next 2 weeks. He'll strike out a bit afterwards, but so long as he knows he's coming out of it, then it will be. /Socrates'd /almost certainly destroyed that classical philosophical analogy Dude has dealt with slumps before. He's just never dealt with them with a White Sox crowd. He'll get through it. Honest to [whatever you believe in], I feel that this is something at which Ozzie excels. He is doing everything he can to take the pressure off of Dunn. At this point, with as many lefties as the Sox are facing on this homestand, it might be best just to sit him for a few games. Let him relax. Let him collect his thoughts. Give him some time in the cages where his swings mean nothing. Give someone who is going to hit better some playing time. Perhaps DHing Rios is the thing to do now...let him work strictly on his swing against pitchers he has an advantage against, but giving him instant and extended access to the coach (gahh Walker!!) after each AB. I hate to say it, but really, nothing is going to hurt at this point. May as well think at least a bit outside of the box. I like the last part of the post starting with 'Dude has dealt with slumps before.' That's what I've been suggesting. He needs a break, especially against the tough lefty pitching that you point out is coming.

QUOTE (T R U @ Jun 7, 2011 -> 07:25 AM) So you want to complain when they looked dead in the water, and now you STILL wanna complain about it when we are making ground and catching up to Cleveland?? You would figure that when they started turning it around people would be more inclined to actually start seeing a positive to the season, but it appears some people just want to b**** for the hell of it.. I can think of about 4 of you guys off the top of my head.. give it a rest already they've cut their deficit in HALF in what, a 4 week stretch? First it was there's no way they are gonna contend for the division after their start.. oops.. and then it was Cleveland got off to way too good of a start.. oops again.. Whats the point of being a debbie downer when they are actually playing good baseball lately? I don't get it. You say they are playing good baseball, I just disagree. They have not cut the deficit in half in a four week stretch, they've picked up 4 games in the loss column. I'm not a debbie downer. I am following the team as I always do and I am still down on the team. The team is still under .500, still not playing good baseball. What do you want the four of us to do ... act all fat and happy about how great the Sox are? I want the Sox to win. The Sox still deserve a grade of D for the season. Do you agree? If it changes to a C, B, A, I'll be f***ing thrilled. Watching the team make out after out with runners in scoring position with less than two outs would drive anybody crazy. How you retain the optimism is great, but I can't do that right now. You give the team a grade to this date, please. It's a D.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 7, 2011 -> 05:42 AM) Went to the game tonight, and a few observations: - Morel played very strong defense, as Seattle didn't hit a lot of balls hard - I don't think anyone at the park thought Konerko's homer was actually going to get out of the park - I can't recall the last person who was as hated on the Sox as Dunn is. The booing was contagious throughout the park, and started when he would get two strikes on him. I can only imagine what woulda happened if he had flubbed that last ground ball. He look like he lifted his head and did indeed bobble it a second making Hawk pause.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 7, 2011 -> 08:10 AM) You hope that a switch just goes on and he becomes the monster he used to be, and that really isn't unprecedented, but it's really just a wait and see game. I don't think people remember how bad Konerko was in the first half of 2003. On June 28th, Paul Konerko's OPS was .525. From July 2nd until the end of the season, Konerko put up an .865 OPS. To cherry pick further, from July 13th to September 7th, he OPS'd 1.050. Dunn is definitely not going to have his typical year, but I'm going to be extremely surprised if he doesn't end up with an OPS of .800. He's had a pretty terrible year, but I would honestly say it's probably only half as bad as the year Konerko was having in 2003 - considering his OPS was more than 100 points less and strong offense was much more prevalent then. He will right the ship. He won't end up with a typical 38 homer, .900 OPS Adam Dunn season, but he will right the ship. Man I respect your optimism. Don't you ever go by the eye test though? Throw out the past numbers? It's the end of the first week of June and the man is LOST. He's a DP/K machine.