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Good stats soxrus. I say simply cut him or make him a middle reliever mop up.

You are right, there should be a b****ing thread. Unless there is a pattern of a guy sucking, it's pretty simple minded to just say a guy sucks or get rid of a guy or he sucks.

I hope we don't overpay. KW has been doing a better job the last couple years, hope he keeps it up.

Why are you all mad at Couch? I think it was a great article. He wrote: If you cannot develop your own talent and then keep it when it matures, then you are small-time. HOW TRUE! It's the f***ing truth.

Amazing Maggs finally got hurt. Get well, Maggs. You are a stud and the White Sox are lucky to have you. I can understand Oz's thinking. I kind of wish Joe B would be the man, however. I don't see why we fans on here are so high on Reed if he's hitting .250 and can't hit a home run.

Sox R Us at some point you have to pay a guy what he's worth on the market. If the Chicago (small market team in big market) White Sox can't keep Magglio Ordonez, then disband the team. Nuke the team. Baseball still wants to downsize anyway. We must keep Maggs.

Oh well, s*** happens. Scope it and bring up Joe B. It's Joe time.

Good point Tizzle. I wonder what we should do? Koch is horrible and Shingo probably isn't the answer, is he? I'd say Marte is our only hope.

It definitely would be interesting to see what Mr. Zero could do as everyday closer, but my vote goes to Marte.

Great, great point. He was on fire. I'd play him four of every seven games or five of seven til he starts becoming the type of Crede we saw today.

We're still fine. All we have to do in this division is hang around .500 and we'll be in it all year. I personally think if all goes well, we finish 10 over .500. No more than that. We have too many holes to do better than that. 10 over .500 will win this division. If we had a decent closer or Marte takes over the role effectively and if Oz keeps platooning guys like Uribe, Aaron, Crede, Willie, who are not stars I think we'll finish 10 over .500 and win division. p.s. I'm not a big Sandy Alomar fan.

It seems like he's had a lot more than two blown saves. He never seems like he's got good stuff. At least the games I've seen on the telly. I just think we'd be better off without the guy. Except for the money we're paying him, is there any reason to keep Koch? He doesn't get people out.

I agree with all of you. This thread isn't an undeserved rant. He's simply not good enough, at least in a Sox uniform. Trade him to the Mets for one marginal prospect.

One thing about Ozzie is he is not stupid. I would be shocked if this isn't curtains for Koch. He just isn't a good closer anymore. At least not for the Sox. Ozzie started to platoon Rowand and Crede is getting a bit more time off not playing every single day. I firmly believe we're going to see Marte be our closer night in and out from now on. Koch is simply not good enough. Again, Oz is a very smart skipper and baseball guy. I think Koch is done. I think we'd be better off releasing him or dumping him to the NL for one marginal prospect. It's just not working out. It's like Clayton and Todd Ritchie. It's a failed experience. Please Sox, dump Koch. I don't even want him in our bullpen by committee. Make it Marte and Zero.

Some games you aren't meant to win. This was one of 'em. We played well. We lost a great game.

Keep it goin, Damaso.

I didn't mean to diss Marte, I just sense we gave it a helluva shot tonight but are destined to fall. I love Marte. He's hooking that curve and firing the fastball tonite.

Hey, calf injuries suck. You tear your calf muscle and you are OUT OUT OUT. Give the guy a bleeping break. Please! p.s. is cussing allowed on message boards. This threat deserves the f bomb.

Keep him for gosh sakes. Maybe somehow, someway he'll eventually sign. If not ... farewell. But you don't trade Maggs.

We battled like heck tonight, but I think we're goin down. Maybe Marte can go 4 inns.

It's Adkins time. Why make a trade? We're winning this horsecrap division and need to get a player from our current organization to take over the fifth slot. Try Adkins!

1549 said: Two things to note about Valentin: 1-He is not God. 2-He does not suck. Valentin is a good guy to have on the team, and he gets the job done. Now lets go pick on that asshole crede! I agree. That truly is the bottom line on Jose V. Great succinct points. Crede sure is hitting anemically. What's the deal with Joe?

Well said! Jose V. is a darn good player.

It's pretty obvious the Yankees will decide whether they want Maggs or Beltran and take whichever guy they want. The Yankees pay enough to get whomever they want (I know, obvious statement of decade)

I think we are better off with both of them gone. --No offense but that is about the most insane thing I've ever read anywhere. A perfect example of not appreciating what you have til it's gone. Maggs is a freaking star and Jose V. is an underappreciated (by some) stud. Check our past history for some horsebleep shortstops outside of Ozz and Aparicio. Jose V. has been a stud.