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Many new wave GMs would disagree with you. No bunting.

Nobody has explained to me how the great KW and Rick Hahn, who are into new wave stats/etc would allow this crap to continue!! You can't bunt in modern baseball folks. There is no bunting in baseball!!

Finally an answer to greg. Thank you! At least it's an answer. My rebuttal would be, "don't you folks realize it will be nice to have a couple White Sox veterans who have been thru the bad days?" You guys asking for youth and only youth are gonna be very disappointed I fear.

Great at bat by Avi. I wish you all would give me one good reason he should not anchor our WS teams. Geez louise you guys frustrate greg. It's not like he's old.

Jose is an unrestricted free agent in 2020. So I would offer him 17 million for 2019, the final year of his contract. Then I'd let him become a free agent and I'd bid with the rest of the teams. If you guys are correct in that he's declining declining declining, well, our offer should be right there with everybody else's. Who the hell is going to offer him some Verlander-type deal? Nobody. Now if we feel so inclined and want to offer him a contract before his runs out? I'd offer 17 to 18 mill a year for 3 years. If we have to go four years, fine. That's it for his one and only multi-year deal as a big leaguer. Four years at 18 million a year. If he demands more than 4, then let him walk even though I'd cry. Even though I love him. So in short, 17 mill to Jose A next season, then let him become free agent; if we decide to offer before he becomes free agent, between 17 and 18 mill a year for 3-4 years. Again, you all point out he's old and already in decline. If so ... what team is gonna offer way more than that???? NONE. Avi: Free agent in 2020 like Jose A. Well ... next year is arbitration for him again. If he has a good end of the season and is not broken down (hammies are tough) by the end of the year, give him $9 or 10 million for his final season as a White Sox. If he rips his hammy again and is out for 2 more months or something, I guess we'd have to assess what the hell is going on and is he broken down? If he finishes strong or even if he finishes average, go ahead and offer him the 9-10 mill next season. No more than 12 mill. Let him become a free agent. Again ... if what you all say is correct and he's just another guy ... we won't have to out bid anybody by much. I am not a complete fool thus Avi still has some work to do before he gets the 4 year deal at 15-20 mill a year. Let's say he finishes this year strong or at least healthy ... go ahead and give him 9-10 million for next season, no more than 12 million. Now he's a free agent at the end of the year. Offer him 14 million a year for 4 years. If somebody is completely enamored with Avi and offers him 20 to 22 mill for 4 years, I concede sadly to let him walk. UNLESS of course he's putting up last year's numbers to that point. There's a lot of baseball still to be played before he's a free agent. If he's putting up MVP numbers through the end of the 2019 season, go ahead and offer him 20 mill a year for 5 years. I guess if somebody wants him bad enough to steal him away in free agency at 25 mill a year for 4-5 years, let him walk. Don't go higher than 20 mill a year for 5 years. He does have injuries in his history thus if somebody wants to give him one of those wacky 7 year deals at 26 mill a year, unfortunately bye bye Avi. There is some risk with him. Thus he must sign a fair deal to both parties which could max out at 20 mill a year for 5 years IF he continues to be the Avi of last year and the last week. I do think both players should anchor our WS teams. I really do. They are perfect candidates to be the two White Sox veterans to lead us to greatness. My guess is they will remain White Sox unless one of the rich teams decides they have to have one of them and pay ridiculous contracts.

He and Abreu are approaching at bats like guys sick of playing for hopeless teams. Hacking away. Can't say I blame them but they are making zillions of dollars so I'd agree with anybody who would be upset at them for not having good at bats.

I have started a campaign in the Midwest. Don't discount greg accumulated votes.

You are very mean in regards to Abreu.

How come Avi and Abreu don't get the benefit of the doubt/excuses when they are struggling/pressing? Don't freak out. Just asking. I think Moncada is an excellent prospect and a perennial all-star, just asking.

What do you guys consider a decent prospect? Yes he's doing very well. NO he won't bring anything.

My opinion is Avi and Abreu can and should be the cornerstones of our WS teams. Do you all agree? Please put some thought into it before a one liner blasting me. It makes TOO MUCH SENSE to do it my way. Leadership (yes). Speaking/relating to half our roster which is spanish (yes half). Getting clutch hits cause they are Sox true and through. Key hits! GO SOX! You need veterans. These are the two, folks. Or should be. Fire Hahn immediately if he trades them.

Quite frankly I don't think the team has to show any improvement next season to be considered a success by most fans. I'm not trying to be an ass. I'm just saying this rebuild stuff has a lot of support. Fans simply LOVE the unknown and if the Sox don't rush prospects there will be no expectations and no urgency to win. If we suck and the studs aren't up yet, fans will be happy/patient as ever. The thing that bothers me is this year we could have flirted with .500 had we spent some cash on one or two stopgap free agent starting pitchers, 1-2 stopgap relievers and maybe one FA hitter not blocking anybody. Certainly a better catcher. It doesn't have to be this painful. I know 90 percent of you disagree with me and I understand your reasoning so no reason to argue. I just don't think next year's flop will be lambasted by fans at all. They are cool with dreaming of the unknown players and only Eloy and Kopech figure to be added next year. There will be plenty in the minors getting more seasoning and the allure of them, the mystery, the unknown, will make our fans not named Greg very happy.

I'd let Abreu mentor him some more or even Big Hurt have a conversation or two with him. Big Hurt actually should be our hitting coach if he'd do it. The man could draw a base on balls and when he swung he hurt the ball quite often.

Not trying to start a fight, but with our initial taste of our prospects not a positive one (relax I like Moncada and Timmy and El-Rey, but they are here and proven to be human) Greg is demanding a Sox WS team anchored by Avi and Abreu. It could happen folks and it should happen. For those of you who think they should not be anchors of our WS teams coming up, I am just speechless. Think about it then respond please. Think of INTANGIBLES as well as tangibles (which they are good at too). We could have one of the most close-knit clubs in history if those 2 guys are allowed to lead us into the greatness years. Why am I the only one to see it. To you who don't post much, also give your takes! Thank u.

Great column on the Sanders situation. Awesome stuff. http://ux.freep.com/story/sports/columnists/mitch-albom/2018/06/30/mitch-albom-public-shaming/747998002/

How come everybody gives Tim Anderson a break for an entire season because of a death of his close friend and NOBODY is trying to figure out what could be wrong with Abreu? I guess it's cause he's old. Could there be something going on with Jose? He's always subject of trade rumors amid this horrible team. I can't imagine it's easy for him to excel every single year amid personal rumors of trades and his teammates being so inferior to him in most positions. My guess is even if Tim was still struggling with the death, fans on here would give him a second season to properly mourn. Double standard (and yes I feel sorry for Tim for losing a close friend; death of friends and family is awful).

Thank goodness. I wish more people would call out the Sox on this one. You don't have to completely tank 5 seasons to be good in MLB, folks. I just hope they clean house before long. Continue on with this horrid tank job if they must but fire Hahn and Kenny and sell the team and do it with a new regime. This is insulting to longtime Sox fans.

No comment.

Sounds like he did. Unless we're told by media or somebody that Moncada is a jerk or is lazy or something like that we have to assume he'll learn from this. He's loafed before but never done that before on a contact play. He screwed up. Do it again and fine him. But until we learn more about him, forgive him and move on.

Boy we stink. What a pathetic game tonight.

Both got hit hard on here. I got in big trouble defending both. I freaked when anybody said Judy. And I loved Dye and stood up for him incessantly.

I already said I will definitely revel in the joy when we hit the WS years. I have that right as a longtime fan. Just cause I'm a critical fan doesn't mean squat. Just as I have no say in the rebuild I had no say in the way we won it in 05. But I can take part in both parades. And I was never a critical fan until this crap. Many of you were Ozzie haters and talked down on the players you wanted to get rid of. Same thing. The few of us who hate the rebuild can say the same about those who despised Ozzie and Dye and Garland, etc.

No way Boston makes this trade. Sale has great stats and he's only 29 and they need the ace for the postseason. It would make a good article though and good examination. Because to the way many of our stat people on soxtalk think, Boston SHOULD make this trade immediately and that is a no brainer. Cause Sale is 29 which to the stat people is on the brink age wise of being very old (at least for hitters; maybe the stat people think pitchers can go longer) and those 2 prospects are considered anchors of WS teams. I say no way Boston would consider that trade but I'd like to hear from the stat people on this board cause if they are truthful they "might" say Boston SHOULD make that trade in a heartbeat.

That's why I say this rebuild didn't have to be this painful. Sox could have added some bullpen pieces without affecting the rebuild's key core. Let's face it Sox decided to tank for a few slots in the draft each year and to me that's irresponsible. They still coulda traded Sale and Q and Robertson and acquired Robert and got the main haul for the rebuild. Might not win the division with what we'd have so Hahn decided to suck up and save Jerry and the investors zillions of dollars and line their wallets til we're ready to compete. Makes me mad/sad.

I shouldn't bite but I guess I will: Man this team has taken a dive in quality testing fans' patience since they entered the tank/rebuild.