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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 22, 2014 -> 08:34 PM) Name me something you've done with good intentions that had good merit and logic behind the decision that backfired that got you into hot water. I am genuinely curious to know. Sales people can make all the calls, work hard as hell, and without results, get canned. I know a guy who was a car salesman for about 2 weeks. He showed up on time, tried to learn, but they saw he couldn't sell well and was gone.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Oct 22, 2014 -> 03:57 PM) It was a good trade, though Davidson had some alarming contact issues as a big red flag, he was a top 100 prospect with a ton of RH power. It's funny how sports never relate to the real world. That was a good trade. Yet if I do something at work with good intentions and it flops I get fired or yelled at or demoted. Results, baby, results.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Oct 22, 2014 -> 07:43 PM) 1) That's exactly the opposite of what I said ("Right now he projects as a slightly worse but still good pitcher..."). You said he projects as a lousy pitcher and that isn't the case. 2) I'm not arguing that the Sox should sign him, I'm arguing about the realities of his career and the market. The fact is, 3/$45 would be a bargain for James Shields (unless you believe every start of his going forward will look like last night), which is why he will be earning more than that. 3) You keep citing the fan reaction in KC. If you ask the fans of a team that lost a World Series game in a blowout the night before about the starting pitcher who lost the game, you are never going to receive a level-headed answer. It's meaningless. Great post. I'm not trying to jump on your points. I guess the bottom line is I don't think Shields is an elite pitcher. So I guess if average to good starters get 18-25 million a year, I guess that's the way it is. I'd think his age would scare some teams, but perhaps they are that dumb. I realize this is all monopoly money. Just raise parking five bucks every year and be done with it.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Oct 22, 2014 -> 07:16 PM) The problem is that you're overrating a few bad games and ignoring that he was not, in fact, a total hack all season or really ever in his career. Right now he projects as a slightly worse but still good pitcher and he'll get paid accordingly. He doesn't project as a guy whose career is doomed because he got lit up a couple times in October. I don't want to make this about Buehrle, but why was everybody against paying him and OK with Shields making a ton? I know we don't do eye tests around here on Soxtalk, but Kansas City wants to put this guy on a train to Boston and have him never come back. Now they fans are grateful for the regular season, and happy Dayton Moore made that trade, very happy, but his performance eliminates any angst about letting him go in free agency. Why do you say he doesn't project as a guy whose career has seen its best days? QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 22, 2014 -> 07:16 PM) So you think Clayton Kershaw is a lousy pitcher too, right? Look what he did in the postseason. I can't comment cause I didn't watch any of those games. i'm to the point in sports I can only watch teams I follow. I can't watch games of other teams. They bore me. Now I could give a s*** about the Royals' success but I do 'follow' the team because I live here. I can't even watch a Cub game and they are from Chicago. I only watch the Sox and Royals. I don't even know what to say about Kershaw and your question. All I can tell you is KC natives don't want him back next year, unless it's one of those bargain type contracts that go to guys like Vargas and Guthrie.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Oct 22, 2014 -> 01:29 PM) Greg, in today's game $18 million is really not all that much. That is roughly equivalent to a 3 fWAR player. Fangraphs has estimated Shields' value at an average of roughly $20 million over the past 4 years. A couple of bad post season starts isn't going to change that. He will get his money and when compared to what other players are getting, he deserves to be pushing that $20 million per year mark. Great post. But at some point a baseball professional GM/owner has to "project." Right now he projects as frankly a lousy pitcher. You can make all the excuses about innings and stuff you want, he's looked like a total hack this postseason. He's ineffective.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 22, 2014 -> 07:46 PM) Ya, if 3/45 was his highest offer, I think he'd be a member of the White Sox. He'll get a lot more. They are tearing apart Shields on talk radio today in KC. I am right now hearing a media host say, "He has been terrible this postseason. He cannot pitch Game Five." The host just said, "Let some other team make the mistake of signing him this offseason. This is what makes the Royals the Royals; be smart, let another team cripple its payroll by signing a declining player." And he's going to get megabucks this offseason? I wish normal life worked that way. His resume is looking questionable rightnow and it will not matter a bit? Wow.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Oct 22, 2014 -> 04:47 AM) Some team will end up spending 18M per year in a deal with Shields based on his history and the likelihood of Scherzer and Lester raising the pay scale with their contracts. Regardless of what Shields signs for, I feel confident and happy it will not be with the Sox. He's 33 years old and has been horses*** of late. I just don't see why teams are overvaluing this guy so much. He does not 'project' as an 18 million a year guy. Crazy. This is insanity, really. Royals fans are bashing Yost for saying Shields would pitch Game Five. Royals fans want him to be done for the season! And this is the same Shields about to get 20 million dollars a year? Which is it, fans? Is he great or horses***??

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 22, 2014 -> 03:01 AM) A lot of wasted money in those seats tonight. You better believe it. I know a guy who paid 660 for standing room only.

So what is Shields worth now? He's not looked like an ace in the postseason at all. Tonight he was downright awful. I say you pay him 8-10 mill a year for 3 years (total of 24 to 30 mill) and that is it! You get to 15 million a year for that guy and you are not smart. Frankly, is he better than Peavy? So tell me, what is he worth and what will he get??

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 15, 2014 -> 04:07 PM) Trying to get a read on the Iowa State team for this year, and the predictions are all over the board. People seem to not have an idea what to do with them. One preseason poll had them in the Top 10. But the coaches predicted them 5th in the B12. That's a huge gap. Will be exciting to see how the transfers do, and how Niang develops. Will u be at the KU game in Ames this year? I will be there.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Oct 22, 2014 -> 02:58 AM) f*** the royals. I hope they get swept. Why? It's annoying when the NL wins the World Series.

Royals need to put at least a run on the board tonight to get that out of the way. KC was more than due for a clunker. Royals have to have a different script this series. If the NL truly is inferior, then hope in the long run KC overcomes and wins it in seven. As far as Shields, what GM/owner in his right mind would sign that guy to a four-year, 80 million dollar deal. It's just crazy talk.

Regarding the Frank White talk, some Royals preppy front office guy decided Frank was too critical on the broadcasts. That's why he fell out of favor. Royals blew it totally on Frank White. He's Mr. Kansas City and should have been given the cushy job for 150,000 as long as he wanted it. Now, you might say Willie Wilson may have wanted that, too, but Frank grew up in KC. Frank deserved to be George Brett Junior, if you will. Frank White is god, small g.

Giants win tonight, 2-0. Bank it.

QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 21, 2014 -> 12:58 AM) I would have gone with a smartarse answer but I will give this example. he was so dislike by his teammates that during meals, it was reported that no one sat with him at his table. during the half mast for the 9/11 he was the only 1 still sitting. now that is what I remember. my memory took a hit and I would be happy to admit if I was wrong on the 9/11 I didn't like Clayton either. He was another horrific acquisition in Sox history. Let's face it, without 05, we have a very checkered rate of success in this organization.

My dislike of Melky yes, is partly because of what he did. But I also think he's a very blah baseball player. He reminds me of Milton Bradley. If he signs with the Sox I could see disliking him as much as anybody who has worn the uniform. Anybody but Melky, please.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Oct 19, 2014 -> 05:17 PM) And let's not forget that the Rangers declined Alex Rios' option. That is a man this team needs - Rios. Rios is the kind of guy who needs to retire. I wonder who will sign him and for how much? If I'm a GM I don't want to pay that guy more than the minimum salary.

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Oct 19, 2014 -> 08:05 PM) Boston could make Cespedes available. Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe reports that "word has spread" that the Red Sox could make Yoenis Cespedes available for trade this offseason. General manager Ben Cherington said last month that the team would like to discuss an extension with Cespedes, but it seems the outfielder might prefer to play out the final year of his contract before testing free agency. Cafardo also notes that Cespedes doesn't really want to play right field "or work on his defense." The Red Sox figure to make at least one trade this winter given their glut of outfielders, and it sounds like Cespedes might be the one to go. Source: Boston GlobeOct 19 - 1:00 PM He "doesn't want to work on his defense." My gawd. Is that true? If so, shows how lazy the modern rich ballplayer can be. I'd want no part of a bum like that if that line is true.

QUOTE (Jake @ Oct 19, 2014 -> 07:29 PM) Right now, I don't see anything to the Royals model except you can win less than 90 games after a decade of brutal baseball then get lucky in the playoffs. I'm going to need to see more seasons of success before I see anything worth emulating here True, the Royals' model really isn't successful unless this is just the start of something. I said it before but they should have lost the wild card game. Oakland basically choked. Even with the great bullpen, KC got owned by a mediocre Detroit team this year. Fans called for the demotion of almost all their everyday players at some point this season except for Perez. I'll eat my words if this is just the start of something big for KC. Not taking anything away from them, but if Oakland completes the victory, nobody's talking about KC at all.

Well was that a good call or not to end the ND game? I'm not fond of ND's coach so I'm glad they lost. Looks like the Big 12 won't have anybody in the Final Four since they will continue to beat each other. Anybody think KState or TCU has a chance to make the Final Four playoff thing?

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Oct 18, 2014 -> 08:00 PM) Sounds like Rice outplayed them from what I've heard. By this point they're a legit contender for 8A, defense or not. Maybe. Sounds like the Alarcon QB won't let them dwell on this last loss, which is good. Hopefully Rice will get an easy first-round playoff foe and peak at the right time after that game.

I hate checking Twitter for Ferguson cause you get so many posts from things that happened days ago. Anything up in Ferguson this current weekend?

What about all the guys destined to someday be White Sox. Are they free agents? ... • Torii Hunter. (get him!) • Grandy. (not as high on him as I used to be) • John Buck (hate him) • Ethier or Kemp (seems like we're destined to get one or both someday) Would you like Rael Ibanez as our fourth outfielder? Get rid of Danks and let Mr. Team Chemistry join the Sox? Or make Rael a bench coach?

Hell of a game; Providence wins, 45-42. Rice's QB with some insane statistics. I tell you, though. Rice is going nowhere with defensive play like that. You need to play defense to win titles. http://southtownstar.suntimes.com/sports/3...ml#.VEH5NqvwJFY

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 18, 2014 -> 05:40 AM) http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/...-doing/related/ Long but very good article on why the royals system is working... That article wouldn't have been written had Oakland held a four-run lead in the eighth in the wildcard game. Just saying. ... That's baseball. Lot of hot air out there.