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QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 26, 2013 -> 05:36 PM) Too be fair, they were better than any announcing team that didn't include Vin Scully. During the Yankees game Harry spent the first three innings talking about who's at the game, who could blame him the Sox were terrible. His "I think Schueler's the pitching coach this week" was pretty funny. Part of Harry's schtick was reading the names of anybody at the game who would send up a note to the booth. Did you hear him say in the second inning of the Yankee game, 'don't you guys ever tire of sending up your names? You must come to every game.' And Piersall said, 'Harry you have to read it or their wives will get suspicious." Another thing I noticed was lack of instant replay, and of course no mention of pitch counts. Kravek threw a ton of pitches those first few innings. Pitch counts did not matter. I also noticed the sounds of the ballbark. People actually cheered when something happened and there way way more background noise through the game. Tony LaRussa should have gotten a lifetime contract after leading that team to a 27-27 record to finish the year. That 79 team was horrible. I guess it was the remnants of the 77 Hitmen with Veeck having absolutely no money.

I watched the first two innings of that Yankee game. So cool to hear Jimmy rip Chet Lemon for diving into first base and harping on it, begging young kids to not do that; and Harry getting on Claudell Washington for being lousy and striking out all the time. Boy that was a weak Sox team. Some very bad or washed up players on that squad. Piersall also ripped the Sox for having so many different lineups. Harry and Jimmy certainly told it like it is. That was just the first two innings. Love Harry.

Great plays by Uribe on the last 2 outs. That was so much fun. Wow.

Good luck to Todd. Great opportunity in front of him. If the Sox hit next year and finally draw some walks, he'll be a fricking hero, a savior, a godsend. If we continue to swing at everything and suck, well, he'll be another dog.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 25, 2013 -> 10:11 PM) He just doesn't click links. If you put the table in a post that shows the incredibly overwhelming evidence that pitchers are less effective every time through the order, I think it might sink in. Are u also second guessing his managing in the 05 postseason? If so, now I've seen everything. Yeah maybe if he'd abided by the book we'd have won every single game in that postseason instead of losing one.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 25, 2013 -> 09:54 PM) No, he put his pitchers at risk and gave the opposition greater opportunities to score because they'd seen the guys more often, and overall he was lucky that they didn't score more. You do not understand a lot of very basic concepts. With all due respect in your role as a mod, are you and others actually b****ing about the move that helped us storm through the 05 postseason? One of the best postseason runs in history?? Risk?? I'll take one postseason loss total against all those victories over risk any day of any week!

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 25, 2013 -> 05:15 PM) This is relevant to our previous discussion http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/mike-mathen...usly-slow-hook/ In other words, Ozzie was not smart to keep his starters out that long, he was lucky they were pitching as well as they were I don't get your point. In other words, Ozzie did something outside the box and it worked. That constitutes smart managing, genius managing, right?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 01:39 AM) Ventura? No funny anecdotes or quips, getting too much rope from the fanbase as a former Sox favorite, etc. Pretty much every starter with the exception of Konerko (in that, he and Marty have something in common). I don't get on Robin. To be fair, though, here are last year's starters who deserved to be criticized/blasted IMO: Kepp, Lexi, Beckham, Paulie (if he wasn't hurt), Flowers, DeAza, Viciedo, Rios, Dunn. Does everybody agree on that? All of them were that bad or lazy or mentally deficient at times.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 25, 2013 -> 02:00 PM) Incredibly pathetic really. Why are people discussing this if it's not true and has never been true? I've never exhibited such tendencies that I'd do that.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 11:35 PM) That would be sad beyond words if it is. Give the mods more credit. They would know if for some insane reason I tried to be two people. This thread exploded but I don't think it's my fault.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 09:35 PM) Ozzie invented the complete game. Post of the f***ing year. I can't win. Though I try. I wish an objective debate coach could come in here and deem me the winner.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 10:06 PM) You are aware that reliever usage has steadily increased over the years, right? That hundreds of managers had been letting their pitchers pitch even deeper into games than Ozzie Guillen for DECADES? That even IF Ozzie Guillen had actually been doing something different than his contemporaries by "boldly" letting his starters flirt with 120 pitches, it would be a call back to the norms that had dominated baseball for OVER ONE HUNDRED YEARS, thus representing something similar to the absolute antithesis of the word "revolutionary"? Maybe revolutionary was a questionable word. It was different, though; managers had gone to the lefty/righty thing in 05. QUOTE (ron883 @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 10:06 PM) greg be trolling Ugh. QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 10:07 PM) The Sox had as many complete games in that series as all post season teams combined in 2011, 2012, and 2013. Thank you!

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 09:56 PM) Alfred E Newmann is 'what me worry?' See to those who again think I am despicably stupid, I even know trivia.

QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 09:53 PM) I give the other guys on base as much credit. Including Dye who got hit in the bat hand by a pitch before Konerko came up. I meant I give Paulie all the credit for actually making contact, elevating and homering. I would always praise Dye, etc., as well.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 09:52 PM) No doubt in my mind. Hmmm ... Ozzie has the biggest mouth in the world. Ozzie is at World Series. Reporters ask; Ozzie answers. He'll do a story a day if the media wants to make him a story. Who's he gonna turn down? Nobody. QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 09:53 PM) In game 2, Mark Buehrle threw 99 pitches in 9 innings. He was going back out for a 10th if necessary. He was incredibly efficient. In game 3, Garland threw 118 pitches in 9 innings. That's perfectly within reason, especially when he was pitching so well. In game 4, Garcia threw 116 pitches in 9 innings. Again, same story as Garland. In game 5, Contreras threw 114 pitches in 9 innings. When the guys are pitching as well as they are, it's not ridiculous to just keep them out there. It IS ridiculous to suggest that it's ground breaking to let them pitch that deep. Can somebody give me play by play? Any matchups where various managers would start to play the lefty/righty game even with workable pitch counts?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 09:47 PM) Did you know that if it weren't for Ozzie Guillen believing and praying and swearing, Paul Konerko would not have hit that grand slam in game 2? I'll give Paulie ALL the credit for the blast.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 09:39 PM) Revolutionized big game baseball by letting his pitchers do their thing? ENGINEERED A PROGRAM that allowed his players to believe they can win? You've got to be kidding. You're trying to tell us that Ozzie Guillen INVENTED the concept of starters pitching deep into games and of trying to keep his players thinking positive about winning. Do you remember HOW DEEP those Sox starters went? Managers don't have the balls to do that and even in 2005 there was situational lefty-righty crap going on all the time. Am I the only one who remembers how proud to be of a fan that played defense like our Sox did in 05? I didn't take it for granted at the time.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 09:32 PM) Lol, greg, wtf universe do you live in? I don't see how you can go through that post point by point and not at least agree about the Oz in 2005 that I describe.

QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 09:23 PM) Not an advertisement, a press release announcing their search for a new manager. I thought you would be excited, they are trying to get your man back managing. Did you read the ad? It talks about free parking and $2 dollar beers or whatever. It's ingenious, but it is an ad IMO. QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 09:28 PM) I've used hyperbole before, but I think I am serious this time when I say that this is the most ridiculous post I have ever read on this board. It can't be that ridiculous if a human being currently employed, never been in jail or in trouble (knock on wood on all that stuff), in charge of a family, believes it. I am a sane, untroubled person and believe it so how can it be deemed that 'ridiculous?' You don't agree about that team being a well-oiled machine? The defense had to make u proud to be a Sox fan and who was in charge?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 09:20 PM) Shame on 2k5 for creating this thread. You knew what was gonna happen. The headline on the thread is he's "begging for a job," which I don't think is fair.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 09:12 PM) Oh Christ. The Joliet Slammers are trying to bring Ozzie in as manager. http://jolietslammers.com/archives/8650?ut...w-field-manager That's kind of a classless way to advertise your ballclub, your park and your prices. Pretty crazy stuff there, using Oz's name like that in the ad.

QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 09:11 PM) Ozzie, meet three time Super Bowl Champion coach Joe Gibbs. After being lured out of retirement, the three time Super Bowl Winning coach Gibbs put together an all star coaching staff, many guys who won the big one and they went 6-10 10-6 5-11 9-7 Then he retired, again. And Gibbs never was a jackass. Never caused fans to boycott games. Etc. Just winning a championship at one point in your career doesn't mean you can replicate the success at will. What makes a great coach? Great players. Great post. The Gibbs return didn't work.

QUOTE (ron883 @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 09:10 PM) strategically, how was ozzie good? please inform me He basically revolutionized big-game baseball, or should have revolutionized it, in his letting the starters do their thing so deep into games the whole way. Aside from that, he engineered a program that allowed his players to believe they could beat all those good AL teams en route to the Big Dance where we took care of a good but not great Houston club. He put a team on the field golden with the glove that amazed me with its efficient, professional, incredible baseball. That kind of a run thru the postseason??? Remarkable. It's belief, baby!!

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 09:09 PM) The Sox could have lost the ALCS had it not been for AJ. And they could have lost the WS had it not been for Konerko, Dye, Jenks, Podsednik, etc... Hey, I thank Ozzie, too, but after the World Series he wasn't nearly as good a manager...and he was pretty damn bad the last year or two. Well you said, "I thank Ozzie, too" and for that I thank YOU. All I want is the recognition that the man gave us something we've not seen before and may never see again: a WS ring. Thank you. p.s. I do thank PK, Dye, Jenks, Pods, AJP as well, etc. But it was Oz at the helm.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 08:51 PM) As a manager, keeping your mouth shut is pretty important. Yep and that's why he's cooked. No more jobs for Ozzie. Hope he's saved his money unless he can keep landing broadcast gigs. Maybe if a close buddy gets a managing job they'll bring him in as 3B coach. Asst coaches don't do much talking to media or they don't last a week. QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 08:52 PM) First, you assert that there is value in having won before. You are implying that having won before is evidence that a manager is a good bet to win again. Then, the VERY NEXT THING you do is give an example of a manager who won before and -- despite being really good and having really good teams -- was never able to win again. You cannot be serious. I like Leyland; no disagreement there. I'm just thanking oz for getting it done in the Sox one and only trip to the WS. We could have lost that series and our streak of futility would be looking very very very bad right now. There's no sign in sight we can even win our division again the way we play in divisional games much less get back in the WS. I mean if you had to bet your life savings would you predict we get back in the WS in the next 10 years? Next 20? Odds aren't good as we start over. I'd give anything to have Leyland take over the Sox helm tomorrow. I'd love Leyland as skip and Oz third base or bench coach. Leyland would teach Oz about professionalism and Oz could help Jimmy with the strategy. Oh I can wish ...