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QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 07:45 PM) Really? So, if you're a jackass and you win a title, you get a pass? But, if you're a great guy but never win, you're not worth a second glance? Tony Gwynn and Ryne Sandberg are less than Lenny Dykstra and Jose Canseco? I'm talking about as a manager; it's not easy to win the big prize. He's in elite company. His ONLY problem is his big mouth. It's probably not correctible unless there's a clause in his contract that everything he says that 'concerns' management, he'll be fined $100,000. If it's worth 100,000 to Oz to mouth off, so be it, the team would take that cash in a second. Problem is he's not quite THAT good to even mess with it. The Mouth he has will keep him out of baseball. People like me think that's unfortunate.

I could list 20 reasons why Ozzie is a good fit to coach again, but you probably don't want to hear them. Don't discount the value of a guy who has won the big prize. As good as Leyland is, he couldn't get a ring with the Tigers though he got one earlier than that. Ron Washington? It's not easy to do. At least when Ozzie got to the big series, the World Series, he took care of business. Had we not won in our one-and-done appearance we'd still be without a WS title since the dark ages with none in sight. Personally I respect the ring and Mr. Mouth has one!!!! No matter what u guys think of him. And he's not begging for a job; he's smart to answer questions pointing out he wants back in.

This may sound blasphemous to some, but Mark is a better pitcher than Q and will have the better career. Q is good and I like him, but Mark is the master. He's been damn amazing.

Very sad. I'll resist going on my tirade over this.

I think we should start a thread Santiago trade value. I'd rather trade him than Q. Could Santiago get the Sox Lawrie? Straight up? Santiago and Gillaspie for Laurie.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 12:06 AM) Gillaspie and Lawrie were pretty much the same last year. Conor is 2.5 years older and a LH ,which we need, and is one of the few Sox who works the count well. http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/sanc...-arizona-video/ Sanchez AFL video ,Jays #3 prospect according to BB America. If we're going to trade Q how about Kendrick and the switch hitting catcher Conger from the Angels for Q and Beckham ? We upgrade 2 positions that way. Hell make it a blockbuster with the Angels give them a choice of Phegley or Flowers and get Bourjos too . I'm all for a blockbuster with the Angels. Makes sense. QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Oct 24, 2013 -> 12:47 AM) It's really not lopsided at all. Brett Lawrie isn't good and Sanchez will be fortunate to be as good as Quintana. That's a very compellng post. Never thought of it but you could be right, sir. Food for thought.

And we have fans talking about keeping payroll down??? Spend, spend, spend. We're all being sold a bill of goods. The Sox franchise is a GOLDMINE. Give us a winner, White Sox. Keep spending on players until you get the right combination PLEASE. Addendum: We still have the right to blast the players who fail when given zillions of dollars like Dunn and Pujols, etc.

Boston will beat these guys. So the AL wins the All Star game and WS in the same year finally. Time to get the AL domination back.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Oct 22, 2013 -> 03:52 AM) And who's the 1 big name you're missing there in your post? Paul Konerko. When your #4 hitter bats .226/.290/.310 vs RHP and you're in a league thats VERY RH heavy that's a recipe for disaster....I mean Jeff friggin Keppinger put up a higher slugging% vs RHP and he wasn't even brought in to face RHP. Conor Gilaspie had a slug% .104 points higher than PK vs RHP, Beckham .089 points higher. Guys like Beckham and the 3B platoon are gonna be your 7-8 or 9 hitters where they can be competent. They're not relied upon to be big run producers like Paulie was relied on to be. Yes, Paulie stunk, but Soxtalk is pointing out we have a team full of talent, for the simple reason so many people want these guys to return. So I think it's a fair point to make that if you think we have talent, perhaps Leyland could have done a better job with it and been .500 not a 99 loss team, Paulie notwithstanding.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 22, 2013 -> 12:24 AM) You clearly have access to that information, you used a computer to post this. He's 68. I looked that up while posting. Uh, I can be lazy. What can I say? I thought I'd ask one of my soxtalk friends to post the age for me. QUOTE (scs787 @ Oct 22, 2013 -> 12:35 AM) Can't say I didn't see this post coming. They've dominated the division because they have an owner who spend his money like there's no tomorrow. It's all about talent. Leyland wouldn't have done much better with the talent the Sox had, and conversely a Ventura lead Tigers team would have dominated the division as well. It may all be about talent, but a lot of us happen to think some of the Sox defensive woes are a poor reflection on Robin. I know the Sox talent sucked, but I can't say everyone agrees with you and me on that. I still see posts wanting Beckham to return and wanting the combo of Kepp/Gillaspie to play third. And many want DeAza back and many want Lexi back and Dunn back. Almost everybody agrees our pitching is good. So according to Soxtalk the team does have some 'talent.' Could somebody like Leyland have done 'much better' at the helm of the Sox? Like I said, the only way to shut up all fans is by winning it all. Ozzie accomplished that and for a while was King of Chicago. Ozzie was able to complete the deal unlike Leyland and Ron Washington. But alas too many years passed after that w/out excelling again and fans tired of his mouth. Most fans. I still worship Ozzie so to speak.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Oct 21, 2013 -> 11:55 PM) I have some Tiger fan friends that are ecstatic over this! Said they wish it was about 2 years earlier... They are crazy is what they are. It's why sports figures deserve the big bucks they get. The only way to shut everybody up is to win. Sounds simple, but it is true. The Tigers completely have been dominating the division, but they haven't been able to take it all, so eventually the fans tire of the guy. He's a great manager. I wonder how old he is. Would love for the Sox to get him after next season when Robin is done.

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Oct 20, 2013 -> 04:51 AM) Reading the common fans thoughts is hilarious. I'd say 90% want to bring back MB & AJ no matter what the price See, the few people who accuse me of being a troll should consider what you just wrote. And they should remember your post forever. Maybe greg actually has COMMON, not radical opinions? Is that possible? My takes appear to be that of the 90 percenters.

How many pitches did our starters throw in 05?

Recipe for disaster, Detroit!! Too many relievers. It never works. You got to get more out of your starter(s). Leyland fell in the trap; too many relievers used tonight. Say what you want about Ozzie? Our one glorious postseason he went with the starters a LONNNNNNGGGGG time. Thank god he did or we wouldn't have a WS crown. Leyland a big goat.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 19, 2013 -> 05:54 AM) Nobody actually goes to the park to see Paul Konerko, do they? I went to Kauffman Stadium this year to see a 99 loss team just to see Konerko hit one last time and he didn't even play. It bummed me out, but not too much cause Sox won.

I just want to know one good reason Salty won't automatically re-up with the Red Sox?

QUOTE (ChiSoxFan05 @ Oct 19, 2013 -> 04:10 AM) We can't just screw our team by trading young talent away to make room for a 37 year old who demands to play another year. Sorry Paulie, but goodbye. If Paulie wasn't as slow as a tortoise I'd prefer him coming back over Dunn. Paulie is so slow, however, he might have run himself out of baseball. It's tough to keep a guy that slow afoot on the roster when he's not blasting 30 home runs anymore. I hope Abreu can dig the ball out of the dirt like Paulie could. That's also important to a defense, specially with Gillaspie gunning throws all over the place.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Oct 18, 2013 -> 05:41 PM) If we have this Cuban super star Abreu locked up does it mean Paulie wont ne coming back? Where would PK play other than DH and PT at 1B Where would that leave Dunn? I think it is more likely PK retires and we have Dunn and Abreu sharing DH and 1B. It seems Abreu has a good glove at 1B from what we have been hearing so Dunn stays at DH for the most part. I would like to see PK return as the hitting coach. Think it's possible? He doesn't seem like a guy dying to travel with a team all year as just a coach. That news conference in the dugout made him seem like he really misses his family. He's got the cash to hang with his kids as they grow up.

QUOTE (ozzfest @ Oct 18, 2013 -> 05:25 PM) The White Sox have never hit the jackpot in free agency. Ever. Why is this any different? If this (Abreu) guy were as good as people say, wouldn't the Yankees, or Giants, or Rangers, or Cubs been all over him and they would have definitely been willing to outbid the White Sox. Paying him twice as much as Puig.....I'm skeptical. Not trying to be a buzzkill, but there needs to be a separate discussion here of just how unproven this guy is. The White Sox have never been the smartest free agent seekers....If something is too good to be true...it is. I guarantee this guy isn't an all star. It's a risk, but his contract is not that outrageous in this day and age. If he's pathetic, sure, the Sox will be stuck with him a long long time. But the Sox are desperate and currently have some money to spend. At this stage, he's probably worth the risk. Now it's time to improve C and 3B and one outfield spot and add a reliable bullpen guy while hoping/pleading Semien takes over for Beckham.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 18, 2013 -> 05:19 PM) What gets lost in the overall numbers with Viciedo, is that his bat goes silent for months at a time. He's so inconsistent, and you never trust him to get a run in when has to be driven in. His upside, to me, right now seems like that of Juan Uribe. Swing as hard as he can and hits it once in a while. I also agree it 'could' change and hopefully it will.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 18, 2013 -> 05:07 PM) I just can't believe people call a guy that hit 25 home runs as a 23 year old rookie a bust. He struggled last year. A sophomore campaign in which he only had 470 PA's due to injuries. Guys, please don't fall for the offseason hype thing, just cause it's offseason. I'm excited about adding Abreau, but yes, Viciedo has been a bust and please don't include Dunn in any 3-4-5-6 lineup projections, acting like Dunn is some sort of feared hitter/stud. Let's let it play out, but don't make guys seem like great hitters/players, just cause it's offseason. Add Beckham to that group, too. Look at it this way, if we had a game tomorrow, would you want to watch Viciedo, Beckham or Dunn step to the plate? I would hope the answer is no. Maybe after a long offseason I can stomach watching them again.And maybe Viciedo will become a stud. I think we hope that, but as of now he is a terribly undisciplined hitter who belts a deep one once in a while and Beckham is average at very best.

64 pages? Time to skim them all. Obviously it's worth the gamble.

64 pages? Time to skim them all. Obviously it's worth the gamble and I don't even know how much the Sox are paying him yet.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 17, 2013 -> 06:35 PM) http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/10/ja...first-base.html For the Pirates, Loney/Gaby Sanchez actually makes more sense because of the risk of Abreu busting. In other words, there's a lot less risk to them spreading let's say $70 million between Loney and Sanchez and getting a "decent/predictable" OPS versus the unknown with Abreu. For the White Sox, you have to go all out for Abreu. Theoretically, you could sign Loney and then platoon him with Viciedo at 1B. In that scenario, you'd have someone like Granderson and also Loney facing the toughest righties (along with DeAza)...although aren't Viciedo's splits this season a lot more balanced, compared to the struggles he had with tough righties in the past? Of course, the problem is that do Loney and Granderson accomplish much more than adding $100 million to the payroll? Maybe they turn us into an 80 win team, but is it really worth it in 2015 or 2016? Obviously, the White Sox are in an incredibly difficult position to be in...where spending can put you back into decency perhaps, but still far away from contention. We know they're not going to spend for potential impact players like Ellsbury, Choo, McCann...etc. Napoli and Morales even are seemingly out of range in terms of salary. Salty is likely to return to the Red Sox or become too expensive. And then if you don't have either McCann or Salty catching 120 games, how in God's name can the White Sox be competitive unless they got totally lucky like the A's did with their postseason hero (Vogt) at that position. This also leaves the White Sox in their traditional position of taking fliers on guys like Corey Hart or Chris Young Very good take IMO. Abreu is key acquisition. Grandy as well. One thing you did skip is possibility of a trade. There will be a trade or two IMO.

Sox really need this guy to start showing fans they care about turning this around. If they get him, combine that with a Viciedo/Beckham Santiago blockbuster trade for a catcher/third baseman and reliever or some combination and we might be on the right track IMO.