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Well, apparently he’s winning 82 games next season so that grade is jumping to an A+ soon.

They should. But are you betting money that Jerry will spend any money to do so?

Brother Rice just owned St. Lawrence. St. Ignatius is their last opponent before the playoffs. Fenwick hung with Mount Carmel and had a chance of beating them. Unfortunately, they lost right at the end.

Agreed. 2005 was the one thing this team and owner got right. I have every DVD about the 2005 team. They are actually pretty cheap now if anyone wants to buy them now.

No thanks. It’s more fun watching you try to convince everyone that Getz is good at his job. How many more losing seasons will the Sox incur before you admit you were wrong? 3+ is probably a good bet.

Yeah, you just went full on homer. I’m not a Sox fan, and am instead a Marlins fan, because I think Getz and Jerry suck at their respective jobs. Thanks for proving my point about you.

1) “I’m guessing Getz acted on...” Discussion over right there, but I’ll humor you. Regardless, Shane Drohan is no longer with the White Sox so no matter how well he performs going forward, it won’t be for the White Sox. 2) Once again, Getz DFA’ing Drohan to bring up Sammy Peralta did not prevent 4 more losses for the 2024 White Sox team, which was your claim. The dude pitched only 15 innings and finished the season with an 0-0 record and a 4.80 ERA. 3) Getz traded away a more valuable prospect in Fajardo than Drohan for an old garbage reliever in Cam Booser. I have no idea why you are referencing the Pirates. Chris Getz is not the GM of the Pirates. Once again, you continue to misrepresent transactions as if I ever said guys like Smith-Nigba, Bart, or Canario would lead the Pirates, or the White Sox, to a World Series. They were always flier acquisitions that the most losingest (is that even a word?) record-setting White Sox team could have given at bats to in 2024. So basically that’s more obvious hyperbole from WestEddy when he is losing a discussion. Get a new gimmick other than putting words in everyone else’s mouth as if it actually happened on this board, WE. It didn’t. So one again, where did Getz win in any of these three discussion points? Can’t you simply call a spade a spade?

Getz already set the record with 121 losses in 2024. It’s funny that you actually care that he might have prevented the Sox from losing 125. But fine, I’ll roll with that assumption. So Sammy Peralta’s mediocre 15 innings pitched in 2024 prevented 4 more losses? Okay… You were actually trying to give props to Getz for his Rule 5 drafting of Drohan, just because Drohan pitched better for the Red Sox this year AFTER Getz DFA’ed him, and he is now Boston’s 41st ranked prospect. Meanwhile, your same favorite GM traded away the Red Sox currently #25 ranked prospect in Fajardo for an old garbage lefty reliever in Cam Booser. Are you still confused by my post? I’m not sure how you can’t comprehend your own hypocrisy in your efforts to fluff up one Chris Getz.

I never said that about Thompson and Mena, but nice try putting words in my mouth like you always do to everyone. But if Getz gets credit for the developmental success of players he DFA’s or trades away, shouldn’t he also be blamed for not keeping said prospects? Afterall, Getz chose to add Sammy Peralta to the roster in 2024 rather than retaining Rule 5 pick Shane Drohan in a season his team lost a record-setting 121 games. That is the type of season in which a Rule 5 pick can easily be retained, had Getz thought Drohan was worth keeping. Getz DFA’ed Peralta twice that same season and he left via free agency at the end of the season. Getz also thought that 33-year old, -0.5 bWAR, lefty reliever Cam Booser was worth trading away Fajardo for. This is like praising Hahn and the Sox for signing and developing Fernando Tatis Jr. only for Hahn to trade him away for a washed-up bum in James Shields. Congrats, I guess?

I just looked at the Red Sox top 30 prospect list and didn’t see Drohan. However, I did see Yhoiker Fajardo at #25. Getz strikes again!

He’s also turning 27 in January and has yet to pitch in the majors. Is he even really a “prospect” at this point?

I guess Getz and his staff didn’t think Drohan was worth retaining. Getz DFA’ed Drohan last year to make room for the great Sammy Peralta. Getz DFA’ed Peralta twice during the same season.

I was actually referring to nrockway’s post. I brought up Getz because he’s one of the two big reasons (along with Jerry) that the Sox have the stinky record that they do. We were talking about managerial records and GMs are a big part of that, as are owners. Meanwhile, 83 wins for the Reds this year along with a playoff berth wasn’t a tough path, yet you praise Getz for helping to “improve” the Sox record from 41 wins to 60. You and most other Sox fans would literally cream in their pants if Getz managed to put up an 83 win season within the next 3 seasons.

“What if’s” are just that. Hypothetical nonsense to defend your own argument. What if Getz didn’t go 101-223 over his first two seasons as GM of the Sox? But he did, which is why there are no GM of the year awards in his future. Francona’s team won 83 games in a tough division. That’s what actually happened.

Chris Getz, ladies and gentlemen… The wrong guy at the right time (for him, at least). 101-223 as Sox GM. Dude could easily hit 300 losses before 175 wins in his GM career. What a bum…

I found this one, but it must be the wrong one. However, it states what one of the trade rumors was — Crede and prospects for Chavez.

Clase has earned about $11.5 in the majors so far, but look at his upcoming contract years and you’ll realize truly how stupid he was. Imagine risking millions for even one stupid bet that can’t be for anywhere close to the amount of money you are risking throwing away. 2026: $6M 2027: $10M club option ($2M buyout) 2028: $10M club option ($2M buyout)

Agreed. But a shot at 70+ wins and a vet or two to flip for a couple Single A relievers would look like a good season to Getz considering how horrible his past two seasons have been. It’s all about perception!

Exactly. I’m not sure if any of those guys move the needle for the Sox regardless, even if they are willing to sign here. At best, perhaps they add 2 wins and can be traded for a prospect that just barely makes it into the Sox top 30 list? I guess that’s something. Not sure I’d consider that a nice offseason, but I guess beggars can’t be choosers.

Mead will likely be given some more time, just like Fletcher and Julks. Even though it was Houser and not a huge trade chip, Getz can’t admit that he got nothing of value back for him this soon. You make good points about primary positions mattering but this is an organization that is willing to move many of its players around all over defensively, whether it’s a good or bad idea.

Weird. I never mentioned helping the bullpen the last two years. I thought it was fairly obvious by my previous post about the current state of the rotation and bullpen that I was talking about going forward. No one was saving Getz’s 101-223 White Sox over the last two seasons. These two failed trades that Getz signed off on definitely didn’t help things either.

Who needs young pitching when you barely have a rotation and a mediocre bullpen?

True, but don’t forget — Getz traded these two young pitchers for them. Christian Mena Luis Rodriguez

Venable was not a more coveted managerial candidate than Francona. Francona took a year off from baseball due to health issues but that didn’t automatically make Venable more desirable. Desirability is indicated by pay. Counsell got 5-years and $40 million guaranteed a year earlier. Francona is rumored to have received 3-years and $15 million guaranteed from the Reds. I’d bet that Venable is no where near either of those contracts. The Sox beat out the Marlins in the final offers. There was no massive rush from multiple teams for Venable’s services. Just offers from two of the worst and cheapest teams in baseball. Perhaps if you would have stated that Venable was “the most coveted young managerial candidate” it could have been a true statement. But you didn’t say that.

It’s difficult to debate with such hyperbole. Apparently, Venable was “the most coveted managerial candidate” of the 2024 offseason. Not the guy who reportedly signed for $5 million a year for 3 years in Francona. Does anyone think Jerry gave Venable $15 million guaranteed?