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Well, they traded for Bradish, who wasn’t very highly regarded and have developed him into a very good starter. They have several very intriguing arms in the minors as well. So, further development could come from there. Obviously they developed GRod and Means is a guy who wasn’t a top 30 prospect and he has turned out to be very solid. Even Kremer is a guy that most teams could use. Most teams don’t have 4 starters better than Kremer, much less 5. Hell, some teams don’t have 2 or 3 starters better. This is all to say that they have done a very good job of developing guys and only Rodríguez was a top guy. All of that said, even if McDermott, Povich, Johnson, et al become something, they are likely of little help in 2024 and the team needs to prioritize winning, so it’s time to step it up and get a better pitcher for right now.

The Red Sox could end up with Montgomery and really, I don’t think they will be reactionary to this move. Boston is the 5th team in the division and they are far off too. I have said I do think they could be the most desperate team for Cease but at the same time, I don’t think he makes any sense for them. As @Chicago White Sox has said, your best case scenario is Snell is an Angel.

I mean I guess but you guys need to hit with this trade and, if/when you trade Robert. There is nothing else.

Something you guys don’t want to see happening: https://x.com/snyyankees/status/1742940009647251845?s=46&t=G3On-_LleGmZce-r3ClVZA

No question..which is why I love how Elias has prioritized positional talent. It’s also why the thought that Getz is prioritizing pitching is such a head scratcher to me.

We have some fans that value Ortiz just as if not more highly than Cowser because of position. I don’t see that myself but I get the thought process in terms of positional value.

Just want to clarify something, just to be fair. That MlB list isn’t updated. I doubt anyone reputable would have Cowser over Basallo or Mayo and that list currently is. Also, Cowser isn’t that high on most other sites but there are a lot of people that love him. But your overall point is still correct. I mean, this is just a process of elimination right? Look at the lists of the top 40 guys. Go over which ever ones you want/like/respect. How many of those top 40 guys are actually going to be available in a Cease deal?

lol…I have been trying to tell them you are legit. The one thing you guys have to understand is that board has been around for 25 years and in the 2000s, we had a lot of “insiders”’and while some of them had some good info at times, we also got put through the ringer some which culminated in the Teixeira free agency time period. Ever since then, they are just skeptical about things. I wouldn’t take it personal. End of the day, you know you aren’t trying to mess with people and that’s all that matters. I think people take that stuff too seriously and too many people are overly sensitive about it.

What does this have to do with that post and the Yankees stance on Dominguez? And btw, I don’t disagree with you but you are missing a key component. Kjerstad and Cowser would be tough to beat. If you look at where they are ranked and you look at the prospects that most sites have in the top 35 or so, how many of those guys are realistically available? It’s not many..if any. So, again, the context on this board has been that the team doesn’t want a quantity package, despite myself and others on our board saying that it could be on the table. If you guys are right(and you may be) and they want a high end prospect, what team is offering it? Who is that player? Red Sox might..maybe. Who else?

Yea I think he will too but injuries are going to have to be why that happens. But with that roster, they will happen and Grisham will play a good amount.

They are saying Judge. It’s such a terribly built team.

https://cubbiescrib.com/posts/cubs-could-have-grabbed-this-insane-prospect-from-the-yankees-in-a-cody-bellinger-trade-01h6vx3rqp9x They were all in on Cody Bellinger, until he came off the market. From what I understand … they have a really good prospect, Jasson Dominguez, I think he may have even been thrown in a deal. " That’s not exactly a definitive rumors. I THINK he MAY…not a lot of conviction with that one.

That’s fair and they added Verdugo as well but they can’t really want Judge in CF and they could always move Verdugo in another deal, which was rumored when they got him. The Yankees have never been a team that allows things like that to stop them getting what they want. But your point is well taken.

I don’t know it…I’m just assuming it. Like how you guys are assuming what must come back for Cease. Or basically anything else discussed on a message board. I hope he is available. I hope that shitty org continues to trade away their best young players and best hope to be a real issue long term. I want them to do that. But they blew their Intl pool wad on JD when they signed him. Literally spent all their money on him. They started up his clock last year, in a year where they were out of it (and he performed well) and they were going to hand him the starting job out of ST this year too. And the talk has been he will be right back up as soon as he is healthy this year, which is projected to be around July. I think they view him as a real piece long term. They didn’t want to trade Volpe either and they had opportunity to do it and decided to keep him. jD is a better talent and the injury doesn’t diminish how you view him long term.

Just use common sense. Let me ask you this…if the Yankees value Bellinger to that level, don’t you think they would be trying to sign him?

He’s just a high upside, ML ready piece that the Yankees value and covet. And I doubt he’s untouchable. There is no such thing as untouchable imo. But I don’t think there is anyone rumored to be available that the Yankees would move him for. Personally I hope I’m wrong. If the Yankees end up with Cease, I hope he goes to you guys.

Well, your “rumor” said the Yankees were POSSIBLY willing to do it..which at the end of the day, means absolutely nothing. Secondly, being as accurate as anyone is like winning the tallest midget contest. In a world of everyone trying to get stuff out there as fast as possible, most rumors are wrong and complete bs. I highly doubt there is anything to this at all.

The elbow issue is a big nothing in the grand scheme of things and I doubt Rogers is correct. Most deadline rumors are bs and the Yankees weren’t very good last year. And if the Yankees were so enamored with Bellinger that they would deal their “generational prospect” for him, why are they not signing him now? I guess they still could but I haven’t even heard his name connected to the Yankees. Again, that only means so much and maybe they end up with him but everything about that rumor sounds like it’s bs. While I think Dominguez is a typical overhyped Yankees prospect, I hope they trade him for Cease.

100% agree with you. I just said this on my board. Reportedly, the Os went after Cease in July. They are reportedly after him now. Now, we don’t know the level of accuracy of those reports (ie how hard are they going after him, how much do they want him, etc…) but I do think it’s safe to say he’s a target. If he is a target, the team must like him. But if he’s a target and they don’t feel like they can “fix him” and he is what he is, they also may only want him up to a certain point and that’s it. We really don’t know that. We also know that there are guys available with more service time that play on other teams And Elias is likely talking to them too. Personally, I want the Os to add 2 starters..I think they need to and Cease is at the top of my list. If he fails to bring in a starter that has a real chance to be a significant piece of the playoff rotation, Elias will have failed.

Sure but you are still talking about borderline top 100 guys. You are still talking about a quantity deal and you are still falling well short of adding that top 40ish guy you all have said must be in the deal. This is why I said the Yankees being involved doesn’t bother me because unless Dominguez is on the board (and he’s not), they aren’t offering anything that is going to push the Os to offering any of their top guys. Now, it certainly may be that you prefer their bottom top 100ish guys over ours because of the emphasis on pitching but that doesn’t mean they are actually better prospects or that the overall package is better. And that’s also assuming the emphasis on pitching is accurate, which I’m not sure if it is and if it is and Getz is taking a lesser package because of pitching, that’s pretty awful on his part.

I hope you are a better insider than you are at understanding context or reading comprehension. What I said was that the Yanks aren’t likely (aren’t going to) trade Dominguez and because of that, all they can really offer is quantity type package with risky prospects. Obviously bidders are good but the context of the discussion is that you guys have this belief that the WS are going to nab at least one and maybe more than one top 40ish prospects and that a quantity package isn’t on the table…yet with the Yankees, the likely deal would be, assuming no Martian, exactly that…borderline top 100 guys with some upside but also a low floor. Some of you guys are seemingly getting excited about that but yet when Os fans have suggested a similar package, you scoff at it.

Ok…as an Os fan, that scenario would worry me.

Are the Sox desperate to dump the Eloy contract that they would attach him to Cease and accept less back? Any talk of that scenario?

If I were to make a bet, I’d bet on Cease to Boston over any other team.

Absolutely.