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Yeah I remember talk about it but I never saw that particular quote, which sounds a lot more definitive than what I thought. There’s not much to infer with “will be more profitable”

I mean do you think one WAR first baseman like Bell get paid while 1.9 WAR second baseman like Yolmer get cut because GMs don’t understand WAR? Or could it possibly be they agree with me

Right and that definition is the expected production you would get from a minor league player that replaces him. Which would have theoretical result of .294 winning percentage team. Not the average production of actual major league bat at that position. If every team had Freddie Freeman at first, that doesn’t mean you could expect Freddie Freeman production by replacement. They would already be at majors at another position

That can be true while also being true that first baseman are undervalued in it. I find it interesting you say why choose to understand less when that is exactly what you choose to do. Something can be valid while also being unsound, and vice versa Are you aware of that?

I would post a lot more often if I didn’t expect to be trolled by certain mods. I’d imagine that may have something to do with why 90% of posts are made by like 20 posters these days. But whatever, you enjoy yourself

I don’t see why this is hard to comprehend. I’m arguing first base offensive production is undervalued by WAR because above average major league caliber hitters are more often played there. The value of the bat itself is intrinsic and rare, that’s why they keep them in the lineup. It’s not like you just put a batter at first and they magically become above average major league hitters. WAR is supposed to be based off value relative to expected typical performance from the minor league player that replaces. Just because teams move guys like Harper to first base and other players who are typically among their team’s best hitters, resulting in above average production being average at that position, doesn’t mean that production is replaceable by minor leaguers. i never even argued that positional adjustments weren’t valid, only that firstbaseman are undervalued in that system.which was essentially argument hoopster was making. So you are misrepresenting my argument, as is typical for you. How about addressing actual arguments. Then you won’t be a troll

Clears what up? You didn’t counter any arguments I made

Ok way to say something without saying while implying I am stupid. And you wondered why I referred to you as a troll

That’s why it’s a hypothetical. Ok say all the best hitters were at DH instead and all the worst at LF and look at offensive WAR alone. Is the twentieth best hitter in the league worth less than the tenth best hitting left fielder simply because left fielders are all below average hitters? That is essentially what WAR is saying. and bringing up defense in relation to Yolmer and Abreu question, I would posit it would be far easier to replace Yolmer’s defense with a player who would never even sniff the majors in the first place than Abreu’s bat with AAAA player. If someone could hit like Abreu they’d be in majors, whereas you could find countless A ball players who play above average defense. Not trying to say WAR is worthless. Just saying because above average hitters are typical at firstbase shouldn’t devalue their production as it seems to do. And while I certainly appreciate defense, it’s obviously easily more replaceable than a bat.

My own view on WAR is that it does undervalue offensive production at certain positions simply because of the fact more good hitters are put at that particular position. Which is why I proposed the hypothetical: What if every team played their best players at the same position. Take it further, each team has one of the top thirty players. So like little league, every team’s best player is at SS. Every worst player is in left field. Does that mean the 20th best shortstop is less valuable than the tenth best left fielder?

I don’t believe that is what he is arguing either. He’s saying the defensive statistics used to calculate WAR are themselves based on those things and therefore subjective

He wasn’t saying defense doesn’t win or lose games. He was saying the measure of defense itself is flawed, which is a widely held view

This reminds me. I have never located a forum search function. Am I missing something? Otherwise, I could have answered my own question above

What if the entire league decided to put all their best players at the same position? Would that make the lesser players at other positions more valuable simply because they compared more favorably at that position? I would argue no

Do you actually believe had Sox replaced Abreu with a replacement level player they would have only lost less than 2 more games though? I find that hard to believe

I don’t have much faith in Vaughn, but it’s not like nobody else was ever more successful at age 27 and later than he was before

How the hell would I know

In February, Jerry told Crain's that Michael “will have an obligation to do what’s best” for the other White Sox investors after he passes away. “That likely means putting the team up for sale,” Reinsdorf said. “The team will be worth more out of town.” uh what? Was this discussed here? I must have missed it. Seems like he is straight up saying they will be moved to me. Thought move talk was more speculative than that

I was referring to the pacific pocket mouse. Undergrowth isn’t removed to protect it

I saw Arod a couple times when he was in the Midwest league at 19. Dude was unbelievable. Playing in that league, it was like a man with a machine gun against kids with slings. Jordan against middle schoolers. Wildfires against empty fire hydrants cause they emptied the reservoirs, banned generators for water pumping and banned removal of grasses to protect a mouse

If that’s true, the extra year would still provide considerable extra trade value

Stop what? Drawing a logical conclusion?

Welcome to soxtalk

Nope as the link you yourself provided clearly explains, teams now receive compensation picks between rounds rather than picks from signing teams. That was eliminated in last CBA several years ago due to fact it was suppressing the players’ value

This link explains exactly what I said