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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 27, 2015 -> 06:34 AM) I know Frazier had a bad second half in '16 but his over all numbers are still pretty impressive. I think the cost would be pretty high and would put quite a dent in the Sox farm. Imo, I steer clear of Frazier for that reason. Imo, Lawrie makes the most sense. Should be interesting to see if he's traded and where he goes. and that is the crux of the whole discussion. what is the cost, if it is too much skip him and go for the next plausible choice. i am just wondering on the 2nd wave of non tendered. am i correct of that??? another time when another group of players have a non tendered/fa coming up?? but the problem i am having now is, the sox better make some major moves now, before some of the great deals mention here on this board is gone. speaking of which , Evan Gattis, Daniel Nava, for a spare of/dh would be a great pickup and sp A.J. Griffin can help until 2017 when the other prospects will be able to step in. my problem with Griiffin is, he has a habit of giving up home runs .... but still he is still an interesting pitcher.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 27, 2015 -> 04:09 AM) Agreed. The only players that look like they could be realistically available, imo, are Frazier/Lawrie/Prado/Longoria/Plouffe/Sandoval. None of those 3B are worth Q so the idea of trading Q for a 3B becomes pointless. Minny wants to try Sano in LF to likely try and hold on to Plouffe, so it seems. Cinci wants prospects but at what cost to the Sox? If Frazier doesn't cost the Sox any top prospects then I'd be fine with that but I'm thinking Cinci can do better than what he Sox would be willing to offer. I wouldn't touch the contracts of Longoria or Sandoval. That pretty much leaves us with Prado, Lawrie and Valencia. I'm fine with any of those three but there's a few other points worth noting Prado is 32 and earns 11M in '16 with 3M being paid by the Yanks and is a FA after '16. Valencia comes with two years of control but is already 31. Lawrie is going to be 26 in January, comes with two years of control and due to his youth/lack of boras for an agent presents the Sox with a core type player and potential log term solution to a position that has been dormant since Creedy. The more I think about it, the more sense trading for Lawrie makes. He won't cost top prospects and the A's just might be interested in a player like Micah to play 2B. f*** t, I'm all for Lawrie. Agreed with all of this. At 26, its very much possible Lawrie can turn it around and imo, become a potential long term solution at 3B. His age fits the "core" mold the Sox are looking for at a position the Sox desperately need help at. Like the Sox, I'm in no hurry to trade Q and it sure seems to me like there aren't any available 3B worth trading Q for anyway. The pickings are slim for 3B and beggers can't be choosers. fitting in at what the sox needs and at a price that they can live with. to me that is Lawrie and Valencia. even valencia for 2 yrs is a good options until something can be looked into for further help. even a possible long term deal is or would be ok. Lawrie and Valencia are nice. too bad the sox can't get both. now, i still like to put in a call to Cincy to see what Frazier would call.

QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 27, 2015 -> 12:47 AM) 92% on Rotten Tomatoes. What's to think about? i can come up with some other comments, but i will just say that i do not like any of Sylvester Stallone latest movies.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 26, 2015 -> 04:42 PM) A lot of Hawks had good games. Not to rain on anyone's parade since the Sharks had a 6 game winning streak coming in so you might think the Hawks pounded on a hot team. However the first home game after a road trip is often called a "trap" game because once you get home the player tend to take care of business at home like any time anyone gets back from a trip be it the dog or unpacking or catching up with the family. The Sharks just looked terrible in the 1st period and outside of a strong start to the 2nd period weren't making great decisions on the ice. nice post.

QUOTE (juddling @ Nov 26, 2015 -> 04:12 PM) Went with a friend to see Creed last night. I liked it and thought it was worth seeing. well that was a nice review. i was having some real doubts about it. i wasn't planing on going. maybe i will some what think about it. many thanks.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 26, 2015 -> 11:38 PM) Here's a list of the top 20 at 3B. http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/position/3b/sort/OPS How many of these 3B are really available for trade and how many of them are worthy of Q? I'm liking the idea of Lawrie more and more. thanks for the link. of the top 10, the only one i can see being available is t frazier - cincy, and only b/c they may want to trade him for prospects. they already admitted to be blowing up the team. i really like frazier, lawrie and d valencia who i may like the most. for me, any 3 will be a better option than freese

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 09:26 PM) Off the top of my head I think Hwang and Freese make the most sense for a 3B signing. I'd prefer something else but I don't know what else is available for 3BB. hwang, i have some concerns and that is why i really don't want to give up too much money on a bid, freese seems to be the best options for what i perceives as the sox limitations. even thou my opinions are way different than most of these posters.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 09:29 PM) Gotcha, were on the same page. I'm hoping the Sox are more focused on 3B and SS. Not that an upgrade in RF wouldn't be nice... yeah, i just read on mlb trade rumors of 2 players that were dfa .... of/1b d. nava and rp/sp b gomes, ugh i think he can sp ... but i wouldn't mind a 1 yr with options.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 10:18 PM) The Dodgers are looking for a pitcher to potentially take Grienke's spot in the rotation so I'd bet they want something just a bit better and more proven than Beck/Sanburn. Look at the Dodgers farm, Beck and Sanburn wouldn't be tempting in the least bit for the Dodgers. and i do understand this, i just really, really being snarky. many posters should know how much i am against anything of puig on the sox.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 10:12 PM) And yet, they already have with the Almonte/Kahnle trade. I'm not against trading young low level pitching for young hitters or to use the young pitching as part of a bigger package for MLB ready talent/players. If the Sox plan on keeping Sale, Q and Rodon then they have no choice but to utilize the young pitching they have in a trade. Hahn has already said they could do just that, although I think he was speaking on pitching youth for hitting youth. thanks for posting this, i missed something, so i will revise my other other post, now they need to go out and sign a 3b.... that is all i see them doing, nothing big.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 10:05 PM) When Saladino and Dan Black were teammates in Charlotte, Black hit for a slightly better HR rate. In about a 1/3 of a Korean League season this year, Black hit 12 homers and had a .333/.413/.576 split. Dan f***ing Black. Maybe this guy is good, but I wouldn't count on it. This is all on the scouts. all i will say is do not over spend on his bid. too much question marks.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 10:09 PM) They have to if they're not going to sign an OF bat, or deal Q. i really don't think so, if anything, a 3b and then some kind of low level pitcher, a SP.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 08:08 PM) Not sure the Sox have much to offer that the Dodgers need, which is pitching. Take Sale, Q and Rodon out of the mix and its difficult to see a matchup. then have the sox Beck, and Nolan Sanburn for him, if they say no.... then screw it.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 06:45 PM) Don't have any idea, but with Flowers/Avila, the Sox aren't spending too much on that position overall. and mostly important, all things being equal, they did not trade any prospects.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 08:44 PM) Fast forward to circa 2020. "White Sox announce signing Gordon Beckham as minor league hitting and base running Coach". and RV will still be the manager.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 04:13 PM) I can see where the 30 HR potential comes from with Ozuna based on his physical size, youth and that he has hit 23 HR's in a season before so 7 more HR's isn't too far of a stretch over a 162 game season. Certainly doesn't mean he will though. Ozuna does possess the potential for 30 HR's but Loria is using it as a marketing gimmick to help better the return in a trade which is pretty funny since Ozuna just finished a season in which he hit only 10. i too understand and by all mean i do not want this to come out snarky but he hit 23 hrs in 620 + at bats..... how many more will he need to reach 30???? there is not enuf at bats to do this. but as you said marketing.....

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 06:06 PM) He signed a one year deal thanks, i had to figure something was done, i just didn't have that additional info.

QUOTE (Whitey @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 03:14 PM) Sitting through the past season, I anxiously awaited the accountability and change that undoubtedly would have to come as a response to the overall ineptitude and lack of effort we witnessed last year. Instead, we get the same coach and management back next year, with no real plan in place. Next year could range anywhere from them being a perennial contender, to them needing a complete rebuild… they just have to let it percolate a bit to figure it out I guess. This shows that they have no real vision at all for the future, and no faith in their own scouting abilities. If they did, they would know exactly where they stand, and they would be hitting the ground running. Instead, they are just flopping in the wind, going day to day (decision by decision) it seems. That is pretty alarming to me. are you kidding me, the FO made everything possible to redirect the accountability factor against the players.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 04:12 PM) No. JB left the AFL because he was added to the US National Team for the Premier 12 tournament in Asia (along with OF Jacob May), as noted in the article. It wasn't about his very brief performance in Arizona. and many thanks for that correction.

i am having a hard time comprehending some info i am reading, when is he a fa????

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 03:50 PM) Robin can handle him. He's gone toe to toe with Sale. He could go toe to toe with Puig if necessary. and he went toe to toe with big frank as teammates. but there is alittle difference between coach and player and manager. puig would push the limits even with the pope. nah, passed.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 02:41 PM) Sample size is key here. Wendelken pitched just four times. Trey only played in 10 games. Heck, even the guys who started only got somewhere close to 100 PA. and thanks for that additional facts.... but that is why yous guys do a great job. i wouldn't or have the skills to corpate these items. edit ~~~ damnit, i should let it go and i can't. so pls do not take this the wrong way. wendelken, was on the team for how long ???? and only pitch 4 times, why, b/c he sucked up the word lousy, and the coach had no faith in him. there was a reason why he was almost not on the 40 man roster. but this can at attributed to having a bad afl. and i hope i am right on a bad afl.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 02:40 PM) That brings up a question I've been wondering. Does everyone on here think that Eaton is the guy we saw last year where he can hit around 15 homers a year or more of the guy we saw 2 years ago. Having him be the guy who can hit 15 homers would be a plus in center, but also wouldn't hurt if he had to move to left. while this is a good question, i am a little different in my outlook on this. and to be brutally honest, i really don't give a oot on this, as long as he gets on based as much as he can, hit in 140+ while k'ing less than 80, then i am fine.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 02:13 PM) I would love the Sox to get Puig. Huge core piece, at a most likely a discounted (at least a little) price. I don't care if every White Sox likes him. The Dodgers have won a lot of games with him supposedly being a huge distraction. So what? This guy has as big of a ceiling as anyone in the game. there is a degree of preferential treatment and it really can tear a team apart. with the sox and the ineptness of RV and how to deal with this distraction, i really think it is a bad idea of getting him.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 02:52 PM) Our own Kim Contreras was in attendance for quite a few of the AFL games, and got to take in the action from up close as well as speak to some scouts and players. Here is her recap of how the 9 White Sox prospects looked and performed in the AFL. What are people's thoughts on the players there? overall i was ok-really happy for some of the sox players like engel and peters. but in the hitting i was disappointed in trey and delmonico pitching brennan, tago more than held their onw. wheeler and leyer with a total of 6 innings or less were ok. and wendelken really had a terrible afl. but this is but another stop in getting better. baby step great job to all as usual.