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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 01:43 PM) Could be. It seems it would not take much to get KW to erupt. That might get a lot of people. But if KW wasn't BSing and saying this had to be done now because it is about the next guy who wants all access, how does he explain the locker and uniform? Shouldn't that have been the first to go? Sale said KW couldn't keep his story straight, that he had 3 versions, and KW gave even another to the press, which totally omitted telling LaRoche the kid would have zero access. It is pretty apparent KW wasn't being straight. It might not be the "bald" face lies as Sale referred, but they were statements that KW tried to make himself look like he handled this better than he did. so anything that sale says is always the truth.... ummm but this does not explain what the total reaction on sale and eaton's reaction. what is this, sale is the "he is lying police" now is wants to have that person punished. come on.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 01:26 PM) kW can ask but if Adam says no, then there is an agreement in place. You can ask John Danks to take a pay cut, but if he says no, you don't give him a pay cut. Whether or not this agreement is in writing, there seems to be enough sources, even a pro KW source confirming the White Sox agreed to this. The locker, the uniform, more proof Drake was granted more access. If KW or a coach thinks it's a bad deal, and didn't want the kid around, another thing the could have done is just released LaRoche, but then they would have had to pay. you are talking about language of the agreement. that is for AL battle to fight. sale and eaton involvement is what is in debate. i got it, what really happen was AL son was using kw personal toilet in his office and when kw came in, AL son did not flush after his morning constitutional and there was no toilet paper. that is the real reason on why kw is angry. i know this is a silly part of my post, but debating the same thing over and over and changing the goal line is what is happening here. DA as much as i had fun debating with you, your defense is really redundant with no new points, point that is even to the real argument. sale and eaton actions and reactions.

QUOTE (Saufley @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 01:16 PM) Just asking but, was the deal for the kid to be around 100% of the time or was KW right in asking him to dial it back? who knows, maybe the kid was in kw office answering his phone trying to make a trade or something, filling thru his cabinet and reading other people's contracts.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 01:13 PM) I just don't understand why a team would give a kid a locker and a uniform if they didn't expect him to be around more than most kids and be on the field,. and he had been, the sox lived up to their side of the agreement, now it is how much access, he was told to dial it back some. but you are digressing, sale and eaton actions are what was the results...... that is what you are talking about. this is no cause and effect action, b/c the 2 players who are defending this is sale and eaton and the person who it involved retired.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 01:03 PM) A deal is a deal. There are things in all of our lives where we were beneficiaries of great deals, and some where all of us have been on the short end. That's life, the White Sox wanted Adam LaRoche on their team. In order to get him to agree to sign, they had to agree to grant his son access. The White Sox checked into it. He had the same arraignment in Washimgton, and Rizzo didn't lose his mind. They agreed to allow him the access so LaRoche signed with the Sox. Now LaRoche didn't play well so apparently to some, agreements made and word given, are then eligible to be broken. I disagree. They were 2 weeks away from being done with spring training, and he supposedly was at 120 games last year so 40 about KW's new magic number. You deal with it, and then change the rule. ok i will play, then the agreement has been followed by the sox, but the question comes into mind, now much access was that agreement was agreed to.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 01:03 PM) It's getting harder, and harder, for me to be able to relate to these modern prima donna professional athletes. One would think that I guy like La Roche, who claims to be so morally conscious, would not only behave differently, but have a different perspective. After the year he had, and the money he made, you would think that he would be embarrassed and ashamed to ask for any special privileges, at all!!! When K. W asked him to "dial it back," he could have said. Of course, I understand, and I appreciate that I have this special privilege. I'm sorry that I haven't lived up to the expectations that the organization had for me, and I hope to be make some of that up to the White Sox, this season. Or, better yet; You know I certainly didn't earn any of that $12.5 million you paid me last year, and I feel that I owe the team something. Since it's unlikely that I could play well enough, and contribute enough, this season, to justify another year's significant financial cost to the organization, please accept my resignation. Maybe you can use the money to acquire a player who could actually earn it. These guys live in a very strange world, indeed. That just makes La Roche's view about the great "life lessons to be learned in Major League clubhouse," for his teenaged son, all the more foolish. In fact, he himself is the product of having grown up in that environment, and it didn't seem to help him to understand the real world, did it? i like this post. nice.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 12:36 PM) Say ultimately it comes out that a player or players complained. Would it be better for the team to have them admit it to the guys who are upset about this or remain anonymous? and that is the crux of this whole thing, in order to avoid that incident, sox management took it upon themselves to be the bad guy in this.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 12:17 PM) Why isn't there a single non-white player or coach on the side of LaRoche, inside or outside the White Sox organization? That's very telling. Hahn/Ventura/Sale/Eaton/Shark/Duke/Lawrie/Harper/Boyer=good KW/Rollins/Avila=evil Obviously it's not that simple, but imagine KW was to be fired. What free agent would want to sign with the White Sox, knowing that Sale and Eaton were basically running the club and dictating policy? If someone like Rodon, Abreu, Jackson or Navarro said that KW was completely wrong...then I might start to think pitchforks are in order, but everything must be much more complicated than it appears in terms of the real/true opinions of the majority of the rest of the team, especially players added this past offseason. i think the "no fa will sign with the sox" statement is a fallacy of some. i really think outside the sox org on the player side, many are prob scratching their head and saying what the f*** is sale and eaton doing???

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 12:12 PM) I just don't want to read how much of an ass LaRoche is for expecting the White Sox to live up to their end of an agreement. And then coming up with stories like safety issue, which could be a legit issue, but make no sense considering the White Sox never addressed the issue, KW apparently never mentioned safety to the players. Sale never mentioned KW said safety, he just said players complained, then changed it to coaches complained, then changed it to ownership complained. If you had a plumbing issue and needed a plumber, called around and got prices, and the job turned out exactly as you described, which I think this situation is as Drake was around in Washington and the Sox vetted it out, and you hired the guy who quoted the cheapest price, but when he gave you the invoice it became the most expensive, would you be understanding because "things change"? the sox has ..... i will counter you example by this, so by your statement, AL son has an agreement to have access to the sox faculty, that included the managers office, filing cabinets, phones, and even the higher offices ..... is this a problem???

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 10:57 AM) What was different from last year to this year, other than player performance? It's convenient to develop some of these anecdotes to paint management in a better light. As much as LaRoche is just a weird guy raising his kid in an unconventional way, that's not really the point. This is about relationships and what was promised when he was signed. If in spring training 2015, they saw things that they didn't like such as Drake being in harms way, then that shouldn't have happened this year. Where are the rules and expectations PRIOR to spring training? It's going to be interesting to see what happens today and over the next 6 months. In my opinion, the only guy that really wants Kenny Williams there is Jerry Reinsdorf. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 11:38 AM) It states the White Sox agreed to Drake being around as much as LaRoche wished. It states KW did tell him there was zero access. KW could ask him to "dial it back" but if he had an agreement and didn't want to "dial it back" whether you think it is the right thing to do or not, it doesn't matter, he shouldn't have to "dial it back". The White Sox should be held to their agreement. LaRoche said the White Sox did their due diligence when he made this request. That totally lines up with what Rick Hahn said at Soxfest 2015. I just hope for those who go by "things change", you don't get a job someday where there is no contract, agree to a certain salary and when you get your first check the numbers don't add up. That happened to me many years ago. Believe me, things change won't fit the narrative when you are the one who was lied to. The BS about his being on the field and getting hurt doesn't add up. He has been there over a year. If that was such a concern why wouldn't they have addressed this sooner instead of coming back to spring training giving him his own locker and uniform? I will hang up and listen for my answer. i can see both of these post pov, but this is simple black and white issue. a single player vs management. what it evolve was a knee jerk reaction from 1 player. this reminds me of a person who has a problem with a person, (sale) and was waiting in the weeds for any situation to develop. he was letting something that happen in the past and has been dwelling on ever since. then this incident happen, and he reacted. the other person who is weak minded and is a "follow the leader" jumped into the fray. now all the subsequent tweets is nothing more of them just making the usual weak attempt to deflect any criticism from themselves and direct it to the management team of the Sox. again, think about this, if AL had ANY legal leg to stand on, why wasn't his lawyers, his agent and esp the union lawyers not involve??? this is as close to a "Straw-man" case as i ever seen ..... on sale pov.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 05:45 AM) Adam Eaton saying he was afraid to bring his dad today is some of the dumbest s*** I have ever heard. Either Eaton is the rat and is being too clever by half or he's a f***ing moron. Either way, he better produce on the field. he is to busy trying to be mr. social media to worry about the truth. eaton the rat.... or ... the rat eaton. nice nick names.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 04:05 AM) There are 29 other teams that would be happy to have you. i don't know, i still think that kw did fall on the sword for the org, but it spiral out of control b/c of some hot headed players. this is a 1 player and management problem. others had no business getting involve.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 04:31 AM) KW asked Adam several times to keep Drake off the field during drills as the org would be liable for any injury that occurred to his boy. Adam flat out refused time and again to a belligerent degree. That is what set off Kenny and he wasn't the only one that was concerned. Ironically Kenny was more concerned about Drake's safety than Mr. #FamilyFirst. That's what some need to know about LaRoche's behavior. r u privy to any info on what is the idea of the sox FO, if sale does not dial it back a little in the immediate future.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 04:31 AM) KW asked Adam several times to keep Drake off the field during drills as the org would be liable for any injury that occurred to his boy. Adam flat out refused time and again to a belligerent degree. That is what set off Kenny and he wasn't the only one that was concerned. Ironically Kenny was more concerned about Drake's safety than Mr. #FamilyFirst. That's what some need to know about LaRoche's behavior. i think most of the fans on this site are on the same page of "in agreement" of the actions of the sox org in this. but thanks for further clarifying the incident better.

QUOTE (thigpen89 @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 03:07 AM) I stopped liking KW about five years ago and this isn't helping matters. The team's probably better off just letting him go. He comes across as an untrustworthy jerk. i have dislike kw since 2000 and i have verbally express my opinion on that many times. but this is not about like kw, this is black and white, total insubornation on behalf of org employee, which kw is pres of the org. this is also a problem of others jumping into something that does not concerns them. this is an employee and management problem not a team problem.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 01:32 AM) Yep, if Sale keeps going off about it the next few weeks, I have no problem with them looking to trade him (as long as it's not to the Cubs) if this was me, i would trade him to one of the nl central teams to compete against the sCrubs or to nl east team to boost their pen to win. lastly i would really think to trade him to the padres and bury him on a lousy team.

QUOTE (LeftField @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:15 PM) Any chance that his outburst leads to a trade? Very rarely does a player openly call out someone in management like that. there are 3 scenario's at play. 1. JR has the mtg and sale still does not relent 2. sale will get traded after the season. 3. the team is really out of the chase and some team will pay a king's ransom at the trading deadline. you should have another for eaton being traded. yes. as soon as they can find a suitor who will pay the cost.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:33 PM) Well, that and because he never once mentioned his son battling an illness during his first year with the Sox and that would have been an understandable excuse in my book. He went out, tried to do his job while getting left out to dry by Ozzie, got booed and came back the next year with an All-Star season. that right there is why there is a huge gap in what is called class over the other one.

QUOTE (venom4789 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:28 PM) Well after still hearing about this i am thinking laroche was thinking about retiring already and this made it easier for him to do. KW is not going to name players or coaches that had a problem with it , and he has no problem being the bad guy. I also get the feeling players walk all over robin and he is a yes man for them. the first 2 i totally agree. on the second one, why does kw need to say anything, he answer to the chairman and owners not some pampered spoil immature children.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:10 PM) Any NL Central teams still need a starter? wash nat'l - nl east stl card - nl central

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:22 PM) Just because they don't add someone right away doesn't mean they can't use the $13 million later. yeah pad the bank in the owners acct. i will maintain that the sox will not add anyone, and even then maybe until the trading deadline.

QUOTE (heirdog @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 09:19 PM) Borrowing from Occam's Razor where the simplest explanation is likely the most plausible, here is what probably happened: Rick Hahn, the smartest man in the room, decided he would kill 2 birds with one stone. He set up Kenny to fall on the sword by playing on his emotions about players thinking he is weak. He also wanted LaRoche out of here and knew the only thing to send him packing would be the son angle. So Rick decided to go to Kenny and float "no player will say it but they don't like having Drake around" and "they wish you, Kenny, would step in but he don't think you have the guts to". Knowing Kenny would create a maelstrom and personalize the issue to himself...which now he can't revert back from, Rick will soon have full GM power and $13 million to spend on a championship roster. that is it, blame everything on rick hahn. he manipulated everyone here. he has this evil way of hypothesizing everyone.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 08:58 PM) If you watch the video, the bigger issue is they don't trust KW now. Also, after reading LaRoche letter again, it's interesting he left out whether or not he complied to the first request like he said he would if anything came up who cares if they the player do not trust kw, their job to is to play ball and get to the playoff.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 08:13 PM) I'm getting the feeling that Sale doesn't want to play for the Sox anymore, and it probably goes well beyond this incident. He may be regretting the team-friendly contract that he signed. never thought of that.

QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 08:12 PM) It's about time Laroche came out and said something. I'm personally glad it has boiled down to this now--one of those 2 guys is lying, or at the very least, bending the truth to fit their own narrative. Once they get in the room and meet with JR it shouldn't take too long to figure out who is full of it, and then it's head rolling time. It's 2 weeks until the season starts, Reinsdorf is going to squash this one way or the other shortly. I think if anything, KW is going to step down; I just don't see JR firing him. Nor do I see any players being traded over this. Who knows as far as Laroche goes, and if he would reconsider his retirement if KW is out of the picture. again, if this was indeed a contractual violation, laroche reps, lawyer and his agent would be all over the media crying foul.