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QUOTE (Tony @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 01:07 AM) Absolutely. I would want to have that conversation with my employer, understand what the issue is and why they agreement changed, and see how we can now come to an understanding or happy medium. And if the agreement changed enough where it was that important to me, I may leave, just like LaRoche did. But that is exactly my point. It's business, and cirumstances change. You just brought up an example that happens every day in business. i think laroche used this as an excuse to retire and blame or try to deflect the blame on the big, evil sox org.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 02:53 AM) Maybe this is a better question for Rock Raines or another "insider." Is it fair to say that LaRoche, Sale, Eaton, Shark (last year), Danks, Duke and perhaps Lawrie are part of one group or clique? Where is Abreu? Is he the leader of the Hispanic players or more of a Konerko/Dye/Thome "lead by example" type? Where does Todd Frazier fit in? Rodon? Robertson? Quintana? Pretty obviously, there's a new group emerging with Rollins, Avila, Jackson, Navarro...(and god knows about Latos). Along with the lethargic/passive clubhouse environment, ONE positive development would be having two veteran catchers in Avila/Navarro who are stronger, more natural leaders than Tyler Flowers. Of course, they have to stay healthy and be productive or they will end up on the outside looking in eventually... And why has Rick Hahn been so quiet and "behind the scenes" this week? Deliberate strategy on the part of the front office to deflect all the attention to KW, like Ozzie used to do all the time by creating his firestorms? interesting.... i would have thought he would have an opinion on this.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 02:51 AM) I don't really care how you were raised. If you don't understand what's wrong with that situation, you need to open your eyes to the world around you. i admit it, sometimes i am very naive .... so i really don't know why if is wrong. all i know it is creepy. i can't explain my thoughts on it.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 02:34 AM) Here's the thing...if the White Sox did a better job of drafting and developing players, promoting them together a level at a time and developing that trust/chemistry/camaraderie first at the minor league level, this kind of thing wouldn't be happening. There's no "White Sox Way" because 75-80% of the roster is a mixture of players from different organizations. (Let it be noted that it worked beautifully ONCE, in 2005...but hasn't since.) We have a clear dysfunction at the top with Hahn/KW not being on the same page. We have created such a "relaxed/comfortable/lethargic" clubhouse that it took outsiders to finally break it up...likely in the form of respected vets like Rollins, Frazier, Avila and Austin Jackson. We likely have a split or polarized clubhouse at the moment...not 100% on racial or position player/pitcher lines, but it's clear that KW's gambit could easily backfire and be used as the excuse for not coming out of the gate hot in April. There's an increasing likelihood that Sale will be even more vocal in his criticism of KW (and implicitly JR) if this thing is allowed to fester. KW seems to be "turning the other cheek" and trying to spin it as a positive for the moment, but surely one of the few positives of this week is that he didn't allow his temper to flare out of control as Sale has a tendency to do...that could have been a complete disaster. wasn't there an article or something that said the sale told kw to get out of the clubhouse??? if this did happen, what are posters opinion on that??

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 12:54 AM) I wouldn't go running to Kenny. And If someone did complain to Kenny, he should have said as a condition of him signing, the GM and manager green lighted his access. There is nothing he can do now, he can change the rules next year. The kid is a good kid, just deal with it, and do your job.i ok, you are not going along with the question but that is ok, the point i am trying to make is, whom ever went to upper management was trying to not get into a confrontation that may have been worst. people get really defensive about their kids and people saying anything that may come across as a cautionary advise to correct themselves. your mind is made up and i respect that.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 12:38 AM) For all this speculation about new players coming in and complaining, there is not one report the kid was nothing but a well behaved quiet class act who stayed out of the way. If the players have a problem with it and can't discuss it with LaRoche who is supposed to be the nicest guy in the world, they are p*****s. if you don't mind, i am going to play the devil's advocate here. lets say you were a player that had a problem with a players kid being there, maybe b/c you want to cuss, say raunchy girls jokes or what ever. but you feel restraint in saying anything, or for this discussion, the player says watch your mouth b/c of the kid. you ask that player the next day to not bring in the kid in the clubhouse as a favor and that player say go screw yourself side ways. what is or would be your next response.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 09:32 PM) Well, if you read the article in the original post of this thread, you'll see we kind of did that already. ouch, that hurt, but i did and i need more.... jk

QUOTE (Saufley @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 09:24 PM) IF he came back to the Sox I'd like to watch his first at bat at the Cell this year. The boos would be rocking the stadium. i wish i was the fly on the wall, if he comes back and that first mtg in the clubhouse.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 09:25 PM) OK that makes sense - thanks. i really... really can't wait to read the AA rpt, is it done yet.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 08:49 PM) By the way, we are considering a Part 3 where we take reader/follower questions. So if you have questions that you want to ask a roundtable of FS writers, put them in here! Something more than what we think about Player X is preferred - a topic that will generate some differing viewpoints. Let's hear them. of the minor league teams, i am mostly interested in AA and would love yous guys opinion on the makeup and the strength of the team and the pitchers to watch out for. single A how if there were any surprises and key players to look for in the coming new season. again, yous guys rpt are the best.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 08:10 PM) Wonder how Drake is going to feel 30 years from now when he's a few million lighter in his inheritance because his pops decided to forgo his last 13 million. I mean, a lot of fathers work tooth and nail, including mine, to give their son a better, easier life than they had. This isn't about what's best for his kid it's about what is best for Adam Laroche. It was a selfish decision. this is on me, but i was thinking this was nothing but a smoke screen to retire, whether it was the back problem or just tired of the bs. he found a perfect excuse to shaft the sox in the process of just leaving.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 08:01 PM) Actually, I would say the opposite. A leader would know it would divide the clubhouse. This is a management issue and I'm sure they told him as much. exactly, a good boss will intercede and take the blunt of the problem if it would help not escalate the problem beyond work place. players do get very touchy when some one who is not in authority will say something about their kid |s| whether it is justified or not.

QUOTE (3GamesToLove @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 07:32 PM) Eaton's act is wearing on me, but he's definitely not overpaid--unless you're comparing him to the US population at large rather than ballplayers, which is silly. He's a bargain. been there last yr, right after the stirring the drink or what ever bull crap that was. if may or engel is ready, i would love the sox to trade him for prospects. mega prospects.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 07:35 PM) Because he's an immature ass with anger issues. If the argument for limiting kids' access is more focus on work, the Sox are in the right for changing the rules. The horrible base-running that we saw last year alone seems to indicate that many of these guys had their heads up their rears under the previous rules. this is from me, until something else new pops up, i am just going to read this thread. i really never seen anything that is more of a non issue than this. i hope the sox FO can take control of the team and get them ready of the season opener.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 07:29 PM) I actually think this might help the team on the field. It's not like a situation where Sale has to pass the ball to Jimmy Rollins. Baseball is an individual based team sport, if that makes sense. Sale can f***ing hate Rollins but it doesn't matter really on the field. It's not like Rollins isn't going to hustle for a ball in the hole because Sale is pitching. how can sale let alone anyone else have a problem with a what, 15+yr vet, who is respected....

QUOTE (ptatc @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 07:26 PM) I'm sure Sox management would have preferred to take the blame and not divide the clubhouse. This will only hurt the team now. It was why it should have stayed in house. Laroche destroyed the performance last year and will destroy the team this year by leaking it all out. i agree that is why i was saying that kw was taking the bullet for the whole thing. he grew in many ways in my eyes.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 07:23 PM) I still think they could have said deal with it for 2 more weeks. This way worked out in the Sox favor though. I don't think it will hurt recruiting free agents. If it is important for a future free agent they really want to have their kid there all the time, they will agree to it. i think it is pretty cheap on how the pr issue is making someone to mention names or coming foreward to take the blame. it is really a private issue and it was done the right way.... in private. whether anyone agrees with the intent or not. ref to fa, money is always the answer, but considering how cheap the sox fo wants to do things, it may harm those who will want to give the sox a break.... this is all chcken shiite behavior.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 07:13 PM) Bernstein and Spiegel basically just confirmed that a group of players led by Jimmy Rollins went to management. I understand Sale wanting to police their own room but they've done a poor job of doing that to this point and their manager doesn't do it. This is a case of new veteran players coming in and deciding that this had to stop. so finally some one can take it easy on the sox management, the present management was doing the right thing without exposing the person who made the request.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 07:14 PM) Actually accusing someone of taking reprisals for disagreeing with someone else is extremely personal. if you want to take it personal, fine. you can do what ever you want!!!!! i just didn't mean it that way.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 07:10 PM) Apparently only he has the right to debate? And what are you talking about reprisals for? i am not talking about the admins but other posters who might feel that the conversation is getting redundant. again it is not meant to be personal.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 07:08 PM) Yes, I find it really hard to believe that any supposed handshake or verbal agreement specified that Drake was allowed 100% unrestricted access to the clubhouse. That is crazy. but last yr, according to the way i am seeing this, he had free access to everythng. now this yr, some things change and he was approach in a professional manner. then things escalated.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 07:03 PM) Clearly Dick Allen is in favor of Slavery, because it was in the constitution. really mean no offense. but it also is in the constitution of freedom based on liberty and etc.... in other words, he, DA has a right to debate any issue without fear of reprisal again i do not mean any negativity to you, only your comment.

the union can file a grievance, esp if the players are adamant. however, they may not have a legal ground to stand on, it will be prudent for the union rep to point this out, but if the players want to file, the union may, and i mean may not have a choice.

last nite i left when it was rpt that raBBit was in a tit for tat war of words on twitter or something like that. what was the final tally. how much blood did rabbit cause?? seriously how did it end.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 02:54 PM) Can someone give me a summary of the past 200 or so posts? Thanks in advance. ok, there was this player who brought his son to work, bosses told him it wasn't kool, player got mad, management was in the middle and other players got mad. said player thinking of retiring. end of story.