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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 03:14 PM) The more I hear about this, the more it falls on KW for handling it badly. There are only a few ways this could have started... 1. Kenny did this fully on his own. That's bad - he really shouldn't be interfering in the clubhouse that way. Leave that to the manager, coaches and players. 2. A player (or players) went to KW about it. This is also bad in terms of what it says about Ventura and the players involved. But either way, even if this is what happened, KW's response should have been to go to Ventura, agree on a plan, and have Ventura handle it. Not KW. 3. A player went to Ventura, who escalated it to KW. Same as #2, Ventura should be the one to handle it. It's not about the decision - which was a reasonable and professional one. It is the way it was handled, which sounds like, badly by KW. for this discussion. i disagree on #2 and 3 the way it plays out in your scenario, RV did the right thing or kw did the right thing. it was agreed that a person on the highest level in management below the owners, took it upon him self to take the bullet. like this shielding the manager who has to manage and see the players all the time.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 03:11 PM) And the pro-LaRoche people are acting like he was given an ultimatum that it's either all the time or none of the time. I'm happy the Sox didn't say none of the time, because in theory that's something that could hurt them trying to attract players. am i missing something. maybe it is me. but on this site, how many are in the pro-laroche camp????

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 02:28 PM) When's the last time an MLB team actually boycotted a spring training or regular season game for an "internal policy" reason? Funny thing reading it, made me think back to the 1919 World Series with the Reds. Spandex, haha. i am sorry, i know i am old, but not that old, i don't know the reference you are stating.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 02:26 PM) Thanks for posting, if what Ravech is saying is true, then Ventura just had his best moment as a Sox manager i agree

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 02:24 PM) Rumor is that they are going to win to spite Kenny Williams, as they have a poster of him and will rip off part of his clothing after each win. ahh major league ..... a great movie. i needed that visual joke, ugh... i just envision RV in a spadix bikini trunks. not pretty.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 02:16 PM) They are supporting their teammate....not a shock. The fact it involves family makes it an even more hot topic. If LaRoche does confirm the retirement, I'm not sure what the next step is by the organization to settle things down. you are the voice of reasoning against my temper but that brings up another question, can the team rebound and continue on the magical good feelings that was coming from the team.... btw, maybe the word mutiny in my stance is a little too much, so substitute the word with a strike.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 02:15 PM) There's a few pieces of the puzzle missing between Kenny's request to " dial it back " and LaRoche retiring over the matter. I think there were players that may have been uncomfortable with constantly watching their language and the content of their discussions as well as a few players may have wanted their kids around more often since LaRoche was able to do so with Drake which would put the FO in a most unenviable position. Of course I'm speculating but there's more to this than what's being reported. you make a point and a good one. for this thread, does the org have the right to chg the rules or policy of their club, outiside the idea of it is not against the union / cba rules and policy????

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 02:08 PM) The Sox have a few high-profile players that speak/act first before thinking it through (I'm sure every team does). the thing is, i voiced my opinions and this morning i made my final post on that matter. but i was reading this thread, why, b/c the posters and all of them are really intelligent and i love to read opinions. but this little snippet has me out rage. the gall of the players, who has it so easy, partly b/c the sox as an org believes in going out and making it easy and a great atmosphere. that is all JR's doing. but this little mutiny is a slap in the face against the org and us the fans. maybe i am over reacting. but i am pissed.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 02:00 PM) Sale, Frazier and Eaton are my picks to click. Remember the meeting went very long, so it could be where they didn't want to play because they didn't get to do their normal stretching routine, etc. now i wish the media experts take this a rpt on it..... this is pure and simply ugly for players to overreact. the players are employees and the boss says this are the new rules of the day, and if it not against the union rules, the players have no ground to threaten and mutiny by refusing to play.

QUOTE (Gakman23 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:41 PM) On Mike and Mike right now they are discussing how Robin had to basically beg the players to play yesterday after they found out Kenny stepped into the office and made the no LaRoche jr allowed in the clubhouse every day rule. Sounds like a team all on the same page, but I would guess someone probably complained behind the scenes and that's why this happened. edited to make more sense, sorry still on my 1st cup of coffee ohhh this is bullshiite, a team mutiny over a exec decision that really not even a in-game baseball decisions. but if this is true, how could the FO deal with this.... i guess RV did it right. but this is bullshiite from the players. i wonder who is the leading player making this decision. there is always a leader

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 12:34 PM) Mike Wilbon on Mike and Mike right now. He's completely defending the White Sox stance. finally some one in the media is defending the sox and kw. i complain on the sox and the FO, but come on, they are innocent here.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 11:22 AM) I find it hilarious that people think this was some executive decision by KW. Like he showed up to the ballpark one day and said " I'm tired seeing this kid's stupid face. He's gone, don't care if his dad goes with him." Like really? Obviously there were multiple people complaining. Most likely both players and coaches and I'm sure it was ongoing. Idk, seems like a pretty obvious conclusion to me... And again, what the hell are the players supposed to say to the media about this? "Thank god that little creep is gone, couldn't stand him. Or do you think a professional athlete would take the politically correct, not getting them in trouble, way out and say what a swell kid he was and they loved having him? this is my thoughts as well. 1. the sox had no problem with the idea, last yr proved it. 2. the sox even made a stall right next to his dad 3. then the sox quietly asked him to ease his sons presence in the clubhouse. 4. between 1 and 3, what change the sox fo opinion on the presence of adam's son?? 5. kw took the bullet for the org in this, public decision to address it with laroche.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:20 AM) The way I see it, you can summarize this entire thing in one of two words... Integrity or Adolescence ummm i like it. nice wording.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 12:19 AM) If Jose Anreu or Chris Sale brought their kid to the clubhouse every day this spring and Brett Lowry didn't like it, do you really think KW would have done the same thing? That is the one question to me is most important. KW talked about being fair, but I think, and perhaps incorrectly, LaRoche's status as a player had something to do with this. maybe, but you do make a valid point. i remember a story on big frank missing most of ST..... this is a time when the manager had this shuttle run and every player needed to do it, and do it within a certain time. well the word was getting around that maybe frank thomas didn't want to run it and will the coaches make him. well the manager with the asst of the FO made frank do the run the first thing when he came to camp and everyone watched it. the sox have, in a limited access, have maintain a fair checks and balance. esp with all the players.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:04 AM) Still not sure why the Sox don't look good. easy 2 words are in play... 1. perception 2. image

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 10:50 PM) If anything, they (Ventura/Hahn/Kenny) waited too long to put a stop to this, IMO. I never would've let LaRoche's kid become a permanent member of the clubhouse with his own stall. by this action alone, shows that management was ok with this, it had to come from some players.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 10:47 PM) I'm never afraid to pound KW for the dumb s*** he says and does, but he is completely in the right here. In fact, I've gained a new level of respect for him because of this. as many have said, kw was the perfect one, the one who could take the bullet for the org. i also agree that someone other player, not management who came to the management to asked that this be done. the sox are in the right, a nice way to get from under his 13 mil contract. i just hope he, laroche does not chg his mind and not retire.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 08:57 PM) Kenny's comments seem reasonable and logical to me. Well done Kenny! (and who knows, the cynic in me thinks Kenny may have been thinking of a way to try to force LaRoche and his 13 million dollar deal out thus greatly helping the Sox. If so WELL DONE KENNY!) Mark well i am going to admit i was wrong in thinking that the sox had a big under the table deal to force laroche to retire....

QUOTE (Tony @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 08:29 PM) Absolutely no problem with what KW said. whew.... i really thought it might be something worst. i see nothing wrong either.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 08:26 PM) Sources: LaRoche chose to retire after #WhiteSox prez Ken Williams told him that he no longer could bring 14-year-old son into clubhouse. LaRoche’s son, Drake, 14, has traveled with him for several years. Adam, in a Chicago Tribune story last year, called him team’s “26th man.” https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/710181386380947456 LaRoche’s friend, #Brewers pitcher Blaine Boyer: “He’s an unbelievable father, an unbelievable husband, a friend you can only dream of.” https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/710181602412769280 Boyer added: “I honestly think this is between good and evil. I know which side Adam lives on. I’m thankful to see the way he’s acting… https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/710181745233006592 “…it’s an unbelievable test of who he is, the husband he is, the father he is.” https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/710181821770702848 Source: LaRoche told #WhiteSox yesterday he would take a “couple of days” before making final decision on retirement. https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/710182825836711936 does anyone remembers the story of ozzie's kids and the manager telling him or something of not having them around all the time? this was when ozzie was a player.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 06:26 PM) Nope, union would never allow it and i agree and that is where there might be the problem. who knows, i am just spit-balling here. i just hope this does not change the sox looking to improve the ballclub.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 06:22 PM) All these explanations seem too simple. Thinking it was something more complex. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 06:23 PM) Not if the player isn't on board. If LaRoche said he wasn't hurt when the Sox put him on the DL, all hell would break loose. i think for lack of anything else as of right now, this is the possible answer.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 06:16 PM) It seems more likely to me that the Sox would DFA him and eat the $13M before they would use a roster spot on an indefinite benching. Of course, they could always try to put him on the DL indefinitely, but I imagine that they would've had to prove that he's too injured to play at some point. ummmm that does sound very intriguing and something the sox have done as many other teams i am sure have done.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 06:07 PM) Why do something to force him to retire, and then allow the team to try to talk him out of it? Just doesn't add up. the last time the sox owners took a black eye on one their moves that backfire, the owners head did a retraction like a turtle.... and nothing else was done for a long freaking time. i just hope it was a purely innocent comment and no hidden meaning. this team looks too damn good not to add to it, to improve its chances for a spot for the playoff.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 05:07 PM) Actually the team never said that. Hahn said they were working on improving the team, and they could do something all of the way up until opening day. thanks for the correction.