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QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 7, 2015 -> 03:41 PM) Why doesnt Kenny just keep his mouth shut? Does he think that putting off the perception of transparency is going to help them with the public opinion and support of Sox fans?... No its not helping dude. i asked that same question several times before, when he spouted some bullshiite prep talk

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Jul 7, 2015 -> 02:16 PM) The Cardinals. sweet......

QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 7, 2015 -> 03:26 PM) I just hope they dont have a delusional plan and not make any moves at all. I am afraid they are fooling themselves into thinking this team still has a chance just because they are 5 1/2 games out of the wild card. Sure the whole team doesnt need to be blown up but they should certainly be building towards next year at this point. exactly trying to keep the team and let faith take its course.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 7, 2015 -> 02:26 PM) HOLD ON -- "THREE YEAR PLAN"?? I thought I was a pretty astute follower of Sox news but unless my memory fails me, this week is the first time I remember reading ANYTHING about a so-called "three year plan." I do remember letting Mark Buehrle walk after 2011 and saying that this was the first step in rebuilding. So if my math is right, that was three seasons ago...which means we're in the 4th season of a rebuild...right? I get so confused, Kenny. Please tell me, what plan are we on now and what stage of the plan are we in? if i remember correctly, the sox signed someone and brought up the salary to 90 +/- mil. then the excitement took over. Hahn mention that the sox had a 3 yr plan and he was getting excited about the team and invest by getting a couple more of fa's. then the rebuilding stop. either way, why all of the sudden mention of the 3-yr plan, i mean why now??? they could have reenforce that msg last month or so.

ok, i respect the effort that was made to get this post going, also to show that, at least you still haven't given up or lost faith in this team. now with that preamble, i will step up to the podium and admit that i was one who mention that it looked as some of the players are just mailing it in. no effort during the games, simple mistakes running on the base path and any lack of embarrassment from that mistake. while you are mentioning the work that these player put in, lets not forget, they are few, of hundreds of failed players whose dream were crushes, b/c they didn't have that little extra something to elevate in the mlb regular. "they are not very good" well, i would need a reference of how exactly you are meaning this, b/c i still think they are good, it is they are not executing. but what they are showing, in practice, is not showing up in the game. there is a difference on effort in practice and somehow it is not transferring over to game time. so my simple question is why???

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 7, 2015 -> 03:54 AM) http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/video?vid=478574147976 Talks about the Sox at the 3 minute mark. It's about Samardzija and the Blue Jays. Morosi makes it seem like the Jays are desperate for SP and really want Shark. I really think they will overpay for him. last week, it was rumored that Tor needed a sp and a pen guy. now it is only sp?? looking at their T30, in the top 10, except for Pompey and their ss, that whole system has a nice collections of arms.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 7, 2015 -> 02:36 AM) Or the old cliche "where there's smoke there's fire?" That said, Hahn knew what he was getting into. I can't imaging he'd be dumb enough to do anything but suck up to Kenny after the problems Ken and Oz had together. Jerry has made it clear who the winner is in any feud: KW in a landslide.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Jul 7, 2015 -> 01:24 AM) That wouldn't be correct. Kobe's on $25M for starters, if they acquire Hibbert, he has a $2.5M trade kicker added to his contract also, so he makes about $15-$16M I think. Lou Williams is getting $7M a season, Russell probably about $3.5M to start on his rookie contract, Randle about $2.5M. So then you have Nick Young on $5.2M, and you can see where I'm getting at....... ok, i now see how this conversation is going. that is a planning of the salary cap under the conditions of trades pending. thanks for correcting this for me.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 05:55 PM) I'm not sure we can. Lakers are looking to dump salary, we have no space and no non-guaranteed contracts they can dump. can you explain to me, why would the lakers are looking to dump salary. their salary as of today for next season is 35+ mil. according to hoop rumor team salaries.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 7, 2015 -> 12:38 AM) We disagree. Any player who is a career .300 hitter in the minors and is an elite CF is still a prospect. If the Sox can get a catcher and a CF for Q I would do it and gamble that Bradley will be a . 250ish CF w speed and some pop. He has had an outstanding SO/BB ratio in AAA as well so you gamble that he can hit enough while being an elite CF. Unforunately if Bradley hits the 2nd half of season the Red Sox won't make that trade. I think White Sox need to trade Q in offseason where there will be more bidders. Bogaerts had similiar numbers to Bradley in AAA and he hit .240 in Bosotn last year. But he is another outstanding defensive player who they continued to play. This year he is a .300 hitter. Maybe Bradley needs the chance to be an everyday player instead of a platoon. i see what you are saying, but really good prospects in the minors the 2 or those kind of prospects, still does not equate to a even straight up trade for Q. now if someone needs to comparatively example, it would be Q trading for a Kris Bryant - cubs and Soler - cubs. on this rtn, sure, in a heartbeat. i will do the trade. but it the value is not like that rtn, forget about it.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 11:05 PM) Jaso doesn't catch anymore. Weiters should get a 9 digit contract. Avila might be a decent option. Ianetta has been good for LAA but has a sub .600 OPS this year. Ramirez is retiring but I have posted about Uribe being a good option for us the past few weeks. The SP market is flush. I suggested buying low on Latos but everyone is starting to pick up on his velocity action. Brett Anderson (28) Brandon Beachy (29) – club option Erik Bedard (36) Chad Billingsley (31) Clay Buchholz (31) – $13MM club option with a $245K buyout Mark Buehrle (37) A.J. Burnett (39) Trevor Cahill (28) – $13MM club option with a $300K buyout Chris Capuano (37) Jhoulys Chacin (28) Wei-Yin Chen (30) Bartolo Colon (43) Johnny Cueto (30) Ross Detwiler (30) R.A. Dickey (41) – $12MM club option with a $1MM buyout Marco Estrada (32) Doug Fister (32) Gavin Floyd (33) Yovani Gallardo (30) Jaime Garcia (29) – $11.5MM club option with a $500K buyout Zack Greinke (32) – can opt out of remaining three years/$71MM Jeremy Guthrie (37) – $10MM mutual option with a $3.2MM buyout J.A. Happ (33) Aaron Harang (38) Dan Haren (35) Tim Hudson (40) Hisashi Iwakuma (35) Scott Kazmir (32) Kyle Kendrick (31) Ian Kennedy (31) John Lackey (37) Mat Latos (28) Mike Leake (28) Cliff Lee (37) – $27.5MM club/vesting option with a $12.5MM buyout Tim Lincecum (32) Kyle Lohse (37) Corey Luebke (31) – $7.5MM club option with a $1.75MM buyout Justin Masterson (31) Brandon Morrow (31) Bud Norris (31) Mike Pelfrey (32) David Price (30) Ricky Romero (31) – $13.1MM club option with a $600K buyout Jeff Samardzija (31) Alfredo Simon (35) Ryan Vogelsong (38) Jerome Williams (34) Chris Young (37) Jordan Zimmermann (30) There is premium options, buy lows, tested vets, etc. Really just a multitude of options. I am not suggesting all of the bolded guys, but they're all going to be sought after by some teams. MB may be willing to come back for a 1 yr, in addition i Tor may not give him a QO.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 08:48 PM) I think we can replace Quintana (maybe not in terms of exact of value) much easier than any of the positional holes. This FA class is robust with SP and offers nothing in terms of positional players unless you want to give 200 M to either Upton or Heyward. Weiters, Gordon and Ian Desmond are the next tier. Catchers: Alex Avila (29) Chris Iannetta (33) John Jaso (32) George Kottaras (32) Jose Molina (41) Dioner Navarro (32) Brayan Pena (34) A.J. Pierzynski (39) Matt Wieters (30) Third Base: Joaquin Arias (31) Mike Aviles (35) Gordon Beckham (29) Willie Bloomquist (38) Kevin Frandsen (34) David Freese (33) Jonathan Herrera (31) Maicer Izturis (35) – $3MM club option with a $1MM buyout Don Kelly (36) Jeff Keppinger (36) Casey McGehee (32) Aramis Ramirez (38) Sean Rodriguez (31) Juan Uribe (37) Shortstop: Joaquin Arias (31) Mike Aviles (35) Willie Bloomquist (38) Asdrubal Cabrera (30) Ian Desmond (30) Stephen Drew (33) Alcides Escobar (29) – $5.25MM club option with a $500K buyout Maicer Izturis (35) – $3MM club option with a $1MM buyout Cliff Pennington (32) Alexei Ramirez (34) – $10MM club option with a $1MM buyout Sean Rodriguez (31) Jimmy Rollins (37) Brendan Ryan (34) – $1MM player option Do any of these players make a lot of sense for the Sox? I don't see it. Maybe Ben Zobrist but I am sure he has plenty of team who will be interested in his services. The Sox have C, 2B, SS, 3B as tremendous holes. I assume they'll go with some combo of Micah and Sanchez at 2B. They're probably stuck with one of Flowers or Alexei at C/SS. I don't see any enticing free agents at 3B or C/SS unless you want to take a significant risk on Wieters. I think trading Quintana for a gaggle of players is the best way to replenish our weakness. Then replace Quintana's spot in the rotation with one of the options at SP. EDIT: Which shrewd FA signings do you see in the list? I am with you on that philosophy, not that the Sox have been able to convert on such a strategy, but I don't see any of these types of options in this class. and as you are stating, there will players who would not be given a QO, so those players may provide a stop-gap player until a prospects is ready to replace him. ~~~ edit, the one problem i see is if that player wants a multi yr contract in around 3-4 yrs .

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 08:51 PM) IMO - this can work (if you get the right deal for Quintana) but I don't think it makes any sense to spend FA money on a starting pitcher...or really anyone this offseason if you do that. You're not likely to get guys who will step in and contribute on opening day next year as all stars for Quintana and we certainly don't have enough pieces to fill in any other holes from our org otherwise next year...so just play the guys we have. Fulmer and Johnson and Beck can cover 2 rotation slots, maybe even with a Montas sighting, for a team that traded away a high value starting pitcher. i kinda of disagree. fix the holes with the trades of shark and Q. bring in an assortment of hitters and 1 very good sp. then invest in a FA-sp in the offseason. that price of the fa-sp will be a 2nd rounder. the first being protected.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 06:58 PM) Do you see gregs name at the top of that post with the stats? oops.... it is a shiite, as the irish would say, when typing with 1 finger while drinking with the other hand.... ah laddy, yesterday was a whew day.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 05:20 PM) Samardzija and Beckham for Travis, Reid-Foley, and Pentecost pentecost and with his 2 shoulder surgery on the same shoulder in 2 yrs. i am really apprehension is dealing for him.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 04:12 PM) 3 year window with these players. Melky, LaRoche, Alexei, even before the season started, you had to figure in 3 years, all these guys would be ex-White Sox. The 3 year probably only included Micah and Rodon as contributing prospects. Maybe Sanchez. They know they have to start producing their own talent. I think the 3 year window was a term to buy them time to do just that. We will see, but it is apparent they aren't blowing the entire thing up. i honestly think that the sox young prospects will be ready to step in. however with the present outfielder prospect, (Hawkins) may not be an option. so the sox will have a void in the outfield as a viable option, same thing for a 3b.

i don't see nothing wrong in what KW said or saying. as the old cliche says, "the buck stops here".

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 03:31 PM) Your quote is almost entirely what they quoted in the MLBTR piece and it still doesn't answer many of the questions I proposed. Why is there a 3 year plan starting this year when theyve been downright awful for 2 seasons now? Why is it only 3 years when their core is locked up for more? Why on Earth are they still holding out believing they can compete this year? i am in total agreement. yeah, i remember a snippet of the FO was stating a 3-yr plan. but the players assembled and with the pitching staff, i really thought the team would be competitive this season. even with the hole in cat and 3b. i really thought it would have been different if they acquired another pitcher. either way, i see the sox org doing a fluff like excuses to try to explain this lousy season.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 05:46 AM) Unfortunately KW and Hahn. They brought these lousy players to town. Those stats are amazing and appalling. I don't know how we've won 33 percent of our games. True, but no hitter wants to stink. So I would assume the hitters are trying and just don't have the ability which falls on KW and Hahn. For instance the Melky signing was totally avoidable. That's just money flushed away. The Robertson signing was great. But again, the LaRoche money was flushed down the drain. And Soto and Boni ... the list goes on. I like Hahn when I hear him speak so I'm willing to give him a do-over. I wish he'd pull the trigger and start trading like mad. greg, you did an outstanding job in accumulating those facts. but 2 things, 1. there has to be a reason on why they started like this, 2. i am saying started, b/c look at the last month to month stats and see how the hitters has performed. and yet see who hasn't done or turned it around. i still blame a lot on RV, there were some really bad coaching decision that he made. i said this before, this team looks as it doesn't care.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 5, 2015 -> 11:10 PM) yea,that's kind of how it read, but I don't think it means anything. Kind of a confusing article, with a lot of KW executive VP-speak. many thanks, i was confuse as well about the RV innocence on the lousy season. instead blaming it all on the players. however toward the end kw mention something about if he is still managing... this was nothing except someone who is craving to be in the limelight and is talking nonsense.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 5, 2015 -> 10:37 PM) It certainly doesn't sound like Shark has any intention of not pursuing free agency or favoring the Sox in that process. From the Link above>" White Sox executive vice president Ken Williams told USA TODAY Sports. "But then you look at us, and you say, wait a minute, this team will only be held down for so long." I look at the team as currently constructed and think, yea it will be. ok, i need a little help here. when he was talking about july 31 and the no - other will be traded. so it is only stating 1 player and no one else will be traded???

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 5, 2015 -> 10:05 PM) Games like this is why we all don't get excited about a 4 game winning streak well with the little excitement from the 4 game, of good will, i really didn't want to rain on anyone day. now with this over, how bout trading.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 5, 2015 -> 05:35 PM) I really can't blame the FO all that much. Who knew Lexi would blow, neither 2nd basemen would pan out(yet), the whole OF for the most of the year would underperform. 3b and C are the only positions you can make the argument for them failing to notice upgrade. Catcher around the league suck any way so that's a tough hole to fill. As you just said the pen is a strength too to go along with those 4 SPs. If they ADD a bat they would look like a different team. but lets look at this way. at the time, the sox had 3 sp's and with hector in as the 4/5 pitcher. which i seriously said the sox needed another sp. the biggest fault the sox had, was assuming on the 2nd baseman were ready. how can they make that assumption. the last one, did you really assume that the catcher position was fixed.

here is a question, when the sox are loosing, many are saying and i am included, RV was at fault many times. now with the sox are winning, should any give RV credit for that??

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 5, 2015 -> 05:12 PM) They've just recently all started clicking. Rodon has only been up for 9 starts and has been starting to look better. Jeff has looked like the pitcher we hoped for the last few starts. Even Sale early on wasn't Sale, nor was Q if I remember correctly. yeah, but the pen is the best group the sox have. it is the batters or lack of, in the beginning of the season, that dug the hole. now if you can look at the rest of the positional players, as nice as this team is looking, it has some huge gaping holes, that the org doesn't have a replacement players. but damn, this team could have been fantastic. fvvck the fo for not finishing the job.