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QUOTE (shysocks @ May 6, 2015 -> 07:42 PM) Not "the org has a black hole," the org is a black hole. From 2012 to now the Sox are 13th in the AL in OBP. i guess i am wrong in this.... i, in my limited sense can't see the difference. but i am moving on. you are right.

QUOTE (Tex @ May 6, 2015 -> 07:40 PM) BTW, and since I have nothing to do with it it's not self serving; futuresox is amazing to me. It is a great example of personal journalism with professionalism and standards of ethics equal to many print publications. as long we are singing the praises of that, no one can understand the hard work it takes to do it and do it as well as it is. this part is of this site i really enjoy.

QUOTE (staxx @ May 5, 2015 -> 08:15 PM) Wouldn't surprise me if we snatched him up. oh i really do not hope that.

QUOTE (flavum @ May 6, 2015 -> 06:02 PM) The question is, would he do that during a season? I just want the Sox to win games and get back to a decent shot of contending for 88 wins. But if that possibility/probability goes away in the next couple weeks or month, a change will need to be made. Otherwise, they're just fooling themselves that Ventura is the man for this job. excellent analysis, but can it be answered now, i think not. it is for a further discussion for a later date. when the smoke of many possibilities are answered.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 6, 2015 -> 05:57 PM) From all reports, Robin is the type of guy who if he thought they would be better off without him, would walk away. He doesn't need the money. excellent point, let me also add, they, the powers to be, can also convince him to quit, with a job in the front office enticement.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 6, 2015 -> 06:02 PM) Have things really changed? The org is still a black hole when it comes to OBP. for this discussion only and at this time, i am going to flip my position. ok, what org is not going to have a black hole? this team has its share and much more of holes to address, what hole can be sacrifice, for the present to jump start this team.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 6, 2015 -> 05:55 PM) It's going to be a lot warmer tonight, and maybe 85 tomorrow. The homer drought will be ova. then people can start up with their rendition of the "the boys of summer"

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 6, 2015 -> 06:23 PM) Maybe um, the problem is that we're stuck with only 1/3 of the population? and that is stretching it.

yesterday was the first, really huge step to recovery. i am looking for more good days like yesterday.

QUOTE (Lillian @ May 6, 2015 -> 04:44 PM) I don´t want to hijack this thread, and we were all having this discussion elsewhere. However, since Carlos and Micah´s comparative performances at the Big League level have been mentioned, it might be worth while to consider this. What Carlos did last year, during his call up, probably does not accurately reflect his ability, because he was so young. When evaluating players his age, there should be some consideration given to his youth. He had just turned 22, when he was called up last year. That is very young to be playing in the Majors. What should be noted is how well he is adjusting to the higher levels, and how much he is improving. Of course, it´s all subjective, but my perception is that he is a quick study, and could very well justifiably be expected to perform better, if called up again, now as he approaches 23, which is still young, even at AAA. good point, but let me say, this is not a condemnation of either MJ or Sanchez, but a statement that these two are the best at this time for the sox. each has a slew of backers and each are making a point. this, for me, is the first step of a long road of a future that i hope will include many more WS rings and celebrations.

QUOTE (Tex @ May 6, 2015 -> 04:38 PM) I agree with one caveat from too many years of "upsides" that never materialize. There is a lot to be said about ability today, in tonight's lineup. I'm really weary of the excitement of a draft and then nothing really comes of it. i can say, before, and at what time am i talking about, before, so for this, before the Hahn regime, i was never really been overly impress with the sox draft, let me further say also, before there was an internet world, we as fans couldn't follow players / prospects and their progress or the rate and judge players profiles. except for a few players, i would like to know the % of each team, who had wost selections, other than the sox. accountability, i will let you decide that. who's fault and who were the bosses.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 6, 2015 -> 03:18 PM) That's at the heart of the Carlos Sanchez/Micah debate right now. The concept of "firing" Micah for his performance so far when the same thing can never happen to John Danks, for example. while many were, if i remember correctly, were angered at the selection of MJ over Sanchez, the point is, MJ is doing a good job, he can not be blame for this teams faults. i feel as MJ is being blame for the whole core of problems. maybe i am wrong.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 6, 2015 -> 02:20 PM) Accountablility would be holding the people resposible accountable. Accountability should be a 2 way street. If you are going to blame someone if something doesn't go right, then you should give them credit when it does. The White Sox have fired plenty of people. The easiest, cheapest thing to do is fire someone if it truly made your 9-14 team 14-9. But, if the people on the inside, who really know what is going on, deem that not to be the case, firing them isn't showing accountability, it is naming a scapegoat. There is no way the White Sox current problems are on one guy. There is no way when Andy Gonzalez and Darin Erstad and Corky Miller are in a major league line up, that the Sox not scoring many runs is because the hitting coach is bad at his job. I wish I still had an article a friend of mine sent me a couple years ago. It was a guy who was some sort of club soccer coach. Parents would spend tons of money getting their kids the "top of the line" coach, expecting college scholarships and perhaps professional paydays. His message was, no matter how much money you spend, no matter what reputation a coach has, the overwhelming chances are your kid is average, and will never be anything more than average. Save your money. The fact is, Vince Coleman isn't going to make Adam Eaton a guy that steals 70 bases. No hitting coach is going to make Tyler Flowers a second coming of Mike Piazza. Don Cooper can't make John Danks throw 95. No one said there is no accountability, but really, from the outside, not having access to their daily interactions, any fire someone for accountability issue makes little sense. how can you bundle every little problem in a catalog of past problems and then title is accountability of that person. the problem is, no matter how many smart poster can come up with the same blame and paint it different is beyond me. the main problem, and i will call it the main lack of accountability stem from the GM and his boss. their main idea, which appears not to have change, is to do as little as the team can, use rethreads and paint it all sunny colors by the pr people.

that was excellent. i really like the Sanchez part. nice work ..... as also.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 6, 2015 -> 03:02 PM) You still need talent, and I don't know how you can pin minor league offensive failure on the major leauge hitting coach who cannot work with them. Perhaps a organizational hitting approach is needed. I don't know, everyone is different. If everyone just watched the Tom Emanski videos and did everything exactly the same, they, as a whole would probably be easy to pitch to, as their weaknesses would probably all be the same. But if you want an overall organizational philosophy, that would be up to people higher than the hitting coach. I know they mentioned something like this when the hired Steverson, but it still requires talent and execution, and of course, more importantly, better hitters. Steve Stone said on the air a couple weeks ago how he would love to be Mike Trout's hitting coach. All you have to do is shut up. great point and i agree with you. it starts with the GM and then the drafting and acquiring the talent. plain and simple.

QUOTE (bmags @ May 6, 2015 -> 03:00 PM) I don't understand the point of a position if there is no accountability for it. Are you likely to find an amazing hitting coach that always gets the best out of your offense for years? Maybe not. In a slumping offense is it possible a new voice can make a change? I think so. But, yes, I appreciate those peddling an orthodoxy that if someone does not control everything they control nothing and thus can never be held accountable for performance of their team. Because that's the way everything else beside baseball is run. nice word. but in this situation, 1 person controls it, that is the owner. they put someone in charge to dictate the philosophy of the org. that would be the GM. then at that point, it is up to the GM to produce the results.

QUOTE (Lillian @ May 6, 2015 -> 11:27 AM) I wondered the same thing last year, until someone pointed out that he had just begun switch hitting. Given that he just turned 21, they probably want to give the experiment more time. Perhaps he could ultimately bat left handed in select situations, rather than against all RH pitchers. I really like this guy, and suspect that he may become the everyday SS, one day. Scouting reports rave about his defense. i respect and like what you are saying. but here is a rhetorical question, at what point do the powers to be say this experiment of switch hitting is not working??? with that, he needs rep's at defense and yes at hitting.

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 6, 2015 -> 01:34 AM) Obviously I am not insinuating that Whitely is going to be the best player in the game, but he has some Mike Trout to him. Overlooked playing in the Northeast, thick athletic body, power-speed combo, good makeup, etc. Could be a diamond in the rough for someone not picking 8th i like the subtleness of this statement. i like it.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ May 6, 2015 -> 05:06 AM) One would think. Can't be any worse against right handers batting from the right side, could he? If all he had was those RHH numbers, he'd be a top 10 prospect. a very good point, and as Feeky Magee said, ditch the LHH.

QUOTE (oldsox @ May 6, 2015 -> 01:40 AM) I don't understand your metaphor. yeah, i was wrong in that. i can't remember what i was writing, haven't slept in 2 days up till that point. edit... i think i was trying to say, they didn't even have paper to wipe their backside. in other words the system was completely bare.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 6, 2015 -> 07:14 AM) Robertson obviously is amazing right now. He's going to have one of those special seasons. There has to be a contender that needs an automatic closer. Sox's mission is to get that team to give us Kris Bryant type talent. 4 players for Robertson and make 2 of them studs and one with at least Beckham-like ability. You know how valuable it is to have a closer who is automatic to a contender? It's huge. that would be a bad idea 1. why would any fa in the future sign with the sox if they will turn around and trade him. 2. we, the fans, do not know exactly the term of the contract with him, maybe a no trade clause 3. this yr can be fixed, depending on how it performs from this day forward. 4. if not, this yr, the team have a core to build around for the next yr.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ May 6, 2015 -> 02:05 AM) Are Rogers, Swanson and Tate considered the top tier? you have to take what i am going to say like a grain of salt, i am not a draft guru. but for me. there is only 1 top prospect in this yr draft in that top tier as you mention, that is Rogers. now Swanson and yeah even Tate is the next level, no one else in that tier. then the next is a quasi tier of mixed prospects. however there are still some very good looking prospects peaking.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ May 6, 2015 -> 12:06 AM) I like the taller, sweet swinging leftY, as long as they're certain that his frame projects to way more size and strength than a Ryan Sweeney.Look at his dad, uncles etc., lol.Honestly don't know a lot about either but loved the Tucker swing vids. Also, and I don't enjoy giving the Cubs props, but if their interest in Tucker is real, our guys should take a longer look. Lord Theo , if nothing else, is able to hire the best draft and development guys out there. RH should pilfer a few. it could be blowing smoke and the rest of that cliche'. look at last yr selection for them, came out of no where. re: tuckey and whitley. that is the problem of selecting hs'ers. the uncertainty of further development. Tucker does have a sweet swing. remind me of griffey quick swing. but Whitley, he has monster power. i think no one can't go wrong on either selection.

QUOTE (flavum @ May 6, 2015 -> 12:04 AM) A couple pregame Hahn clips... he really didn't sound too happy, did he. i like that statement of the accountability point. ummmm

QUOTE (bmags @ May 5, 2015 -> 10:01 PM) Did we figure out the Montas disappearance? i hope it is not family illness or something like that.