LDF

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ May 5, 2015 -> 01:28 AM) Thank you! Everyone needs to slow their role and relax, the season is still young. ahhh posters need to vent and rant. as long it doesn't get personal . i rant all the time.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 5, 2015 -> 01:28 AM) People have spent the last week+ saying this isn't true and I'm not sure they're wrong. if you are saying the sox just arbitrarily selected players just to fill up the roster, i can't see that logic. maybe i am too tired.

QUOTE (iamshack @ May 5, 2015 -> 12:12 AM) The front office has put the players on the roster to compete. The coaching staff is not carrying over the talent they are given on the roster to a winning product on the field. I'm not sure why we would blame the former because of the latter. maybe b/c the former are not getting the creme of the prospects pool. how can you mold something with water down mud and sand.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ May 5, 2015 -> 02:13 AM) Always go with BPA, especially in MLB. but that is the point. in this kind of a draft, that need will be different to each others.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ May 5, 2015 -> 02:16 AM) I am a bit excited about JB Wendelken as a relief pitcher. Kid has always got a good fastball and a nasty change, but his stamina fades quickly as a starter. As a reliever he should be a pretty quick riser. i have yet posted my players that i really, really like.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 5, 2015 -> 12:29 AM) You can never have too much pitching in an organization. that is true, but this system needs viable prospect who can develop faster.

QUOTE (Butter Parque @ May 5, 2015 -> 02:11 AM) I wouldn't say this team has tons of pitching up and down the system. They do have some intriguing guys though. Guys like Danish, Guerrero, Fry, Martinez, Rodon, Wheeler certainly have upside. I'd much rather they draft and develop pitchers and trade for young hitters, with the arms that have upside, it only takes a couple to reap the profits. i agree, but it becomes a time when the system may be too saturated with arms, and the buyers may want to play hard ball. 1 draft to address other needs, esp in the early rounds, then draft young arms.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 5, 2015 -> 12:29 AM) Out of curiosity, why do you think this team has so much pitching? Going forward after this year, you have Sale/Q/Rodon and then a big pile of garbage (Danks) and a ton of unknowns. excellent point, i guess i was wrong in how i wrote it. let me try this, the system, the minor league system has a lot of bodies, if developed, can provide a nice surplus for the parent team. now the parent team, it needs help. that is all i am going to say on this, right now. i think we exhausted that subject on the other thread.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ May 5, 2015 -> 02:07 AM) Good question, wish I had a definitive answer to be honest but I don't. There's a case to be made for both sides so it really comes down to preferences and opinions. I guess the big question is, who do we think the Sox FO/scouts will view as the BPA and not who we think the BPA is. good point. lets look at last yr, the BPA was, hands down Rodon, even when the other teams were making their selection. this yr. my head is spinning. i can't for the life of me decide.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 5, 2015 -> 01:47 AM) It is a silly thing to say most years. This year, even more so. The biggest reason is how do you determine "best". Is it the guy with a major injury and a much higher ceiling, or the safer bet, but a lower ceiling? most excellent.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ May 5, 2015 -> 01:38 AM) What's going on with Happ? He's down to #18? I know its just a mock draft, I just thought Happ was rumored to be higher. Also, I'd take Nathan Kirby over Buehler. I certainly would not complain if the Sox drafted Buehler tho. happ is not getting no love from the pro's. i am wondering, pretty much like that kid from lsu-ss, did they have reach their peak?? that is what some are questioning. i am also surprise at some of the other college hitters now peaking. right at the perfect time, to make an impression on the pro's. at #8, there are so many freaking options...... which to choose. i love it. the surprise will come, as it gets closer to draft day.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 4, 2015 -> 09:23 PM) BPA. i have been thinking of that the whole day. there was something that was and have always bug me about that. BPA, is that really more of a subjective judgement. for me, if a pitcher, a positional player are needed. BPA will be the final call to the person who is making the selection, right?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 4, 2015 -> 11:28 PM) The White Sox believe that the best thing for the development of a prospect is to push them until they reach a level where they struggle. Once they're at that point, they believe that is when the struggling prospect can be worked with to correct those issues. IMO their ultimate test of this is Courtney Hawkins. I personally am unconvinced by this philosophy and I don't think the evidence is that it has been successful for this franchise at all. In fact, I feel the guys who actually are making the big leagues and having success are the guys who had someone else in their way and were forced to stay down in the minors longer - Semien got stuck there last year once Gillaspie and Beckham were back, Eduardo Escobar got a full year in Charlotte before coming up as a bench player and then was worked in the minors by the Twins again before he had a really solid 2014 campaign. OTOH we're watching Micah who leapfrogged AAA almost completely unsurprisingly need time to adapt to the bigs. pretty much on the philosophy of some of the team i was reading about. again, this must be really thought out for my big noggin to comprehend. i love it, i learned something new. so in essence, b/c a prospect comes up and does well, the team need to be cautious for a set back.

may 4 mock draft. http://www.mymlbdraft.com/MLB-Mock-Draft much better than that last crap they put out last month. still not sure on some picks.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ May 4, 2015 -> 09:21 PM) Fry and Guerrero still to come tonight. Given the state of the big club, I'm finding solace with the kids. I saw that Larry over at SSS doesn't think much of JG, long-term, but other reports have been more encouraging. Would be nice if Brooks fX data gets expanded to milb sometime soon - would really add a lot to all of our "scouting" abilities. this team has so much pitching that this yr draft has me trying to play guessing games.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 5, 2015 -> 12:21 AM) And yes, maybe Rodon could be the exception. i rather keep him out of this, b/c of the influence of his agent. that is the wildcard.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 5, 2015 -> 12:18 AM) If you've got guys in AA and AAA and you're counting on them to "make a big impact in the next 2 years", you're doing it wrong, especially with this franchise where guys get rushed so much they need a lot of time to adapt to the bigs. let me ask this, totally unrelated to this discussion. is it wrong then to rush the prospects ??? i was reading last nite of some org not rushing enuf but sitting on them for extra time, time to mature. i never thought of it until i read your point.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 5, 2015 -> 12:18 AM) If you've got guys in AA and AAA and you're counting on them to "make a big impact in the next 2 years", you're doing it wrong, especially with this franchise where guys get rushed so much they need a lot of time to adapt to the bigs. i have never really thought of that. i got to think about that in the future. great point !!!!!

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ May 4, 2015 -> 10:49 PM) The whole thread, talking about who to trade already . Can we at least let this team gel before we declare the season over ? a very good point about the gelling.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ May 4, 2015 -> 10:21 PM) It's highly questionable that this is Hahn's direction. Williams rarely had a stout defensive team and when they did they peeled them away. Ramirez certainly should have been traded this offseason but the Sox don't sell high or reasonably high unless it's fruitless to do otherwise. Micah should get some outfield work and Sanchez should be up and Rodon down. Ramirez was not going no where unless the sox had a viable option at ss, which they didn't. same thing for next yr, esp if the sox don't have a viable person at 3b.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ May 4, 2015 -> 09:54 PM) You're missing the point. The organization invested in flawed players to go from bad to mediocre. It reminds me of something the Mets would do. They should have focused on rebuilding the core. Right now, your young core is a slap hitting RF that weighs 250 pounds and is laughably bad on defense, a chronically injured slap hitting CF and a slap hitting 2nd baseman that can't hit a fastball and has poor baserunning technique to go along with bad hands.. That's not a core to build around IMO. Obviously, I'm not including Sale, Quintana and Abreu. I don't see the other players as anything worth building around or being major contributors. i don't think the owners will knowingly invest in mediocre players. they may invest in offensive players who is lacking on defense. but i think they thought they could overcome the defense.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ May 4, 2015 -> 09:48 PM) I may have worded it poorly, but that's what I was trying to get across. It looks like all these players want to do is to show up, play poorly, and then collect their check. I would think a manager should get his team to want to win, and not just focus on themselves and individuality. that is the problem. none of the players are doing that. they are really trying hard.

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 4, 2015 -> 09:43 PM) You hate a team with no defense but want to move Ramirez? I don't know, I am not ready to make any judgments over this 22 game span but it's been ugly. It can only go up from here. I do expect Hahn to answer the bell and get us some combo of power and defense at C/3B for next year. i am with you, this is as ugly as it can get. every fan prob has reach that frustration level. i know i have, but this team with whatever fixes the team manages to pull out, we the fans as to ride it out. that is what makes us the die hard fans.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 4, 2015 -> 09:46 PM) The problem isn't this team is too laid back. It is that they are wound too tight. And seriously, the idea that a manager would have to give "incentive" to a team to get better is just silly. This is the major leagues. If you can find incentive in things like "winning" and huge f***ing contracts, you aren't cut out for baseball. i agree that they are really wound too tight. but i disagree that the manager have to give incentive, i would assume you mean to get better or perform better. last nite or this morning i was reading on manager who could be a good incentive for the sox to look into at the end of the season. i keep hearing of the really good managers who are tough, don't take crap or excuses and is among the biggest cheerleaders to motivate the team. but i am sorry to say, b/c they sign a contract, they still need incentive to perform. that is why there is such a thing called team chemistry.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ May 4, 2015 -> 09:36 PM) And he should have been moved a couple years ago. I just don't understand Hahn's direction here. It's like he invested a ton of money to go from really bad to just mediocre with limited upside. I'm generally pretty optimistic, but I just can't stand to watch a team that can't play defense. then who will manned the ss position. btw, the ss position is what order for the most important position on the field???