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QUOTE (Wanne @ May 4, 2015 -> 03:36 AM) I'm still in the bring Gardy in camp...but ya know what...at first I was soooooo against the even remote idea of bringing Ozzie back...but I'm thinking WHY THE HELL NOT?!? Maybe he's what this team needs. I think with the personnel before he got old...but with the younger guys and Latinos they may just thrive. At least it would bring back some life. I know I'm reaching at straws...but Robin clearly isn't getting the job done. I told my dad back when he failed to challenge that play..."he's over his head". Something needs to be done. and btw...could somebody explain to me just exactly in the hell Kenny Williams even does for this franchise anymore?!?...fetch JR's coffeee? I've scratched my head about that the last few years. i wonder if dave martinez will be allow to go for that job from the northsiders.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 4, 2015 -> 02:04 AM) I don't know, I fail to see how it makes sense his attitude was still a problem that many years later due to that injury. He wasn't coachable, never developed a feel for the game - he was an athlete trying to play baseball, but never really learned baseball. let me see if i got this right, if he didn't want to listen to the, lets say the hitting coach on how to improve and he didn't care to listen to him. that is not an attitude problem?

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ May 4, 2015 -> 03:27 AM) Where's a face palm emoticon when you need one? and who were you referring it to??

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 4, 2015 -> 03:09 AM) Did you... read the article? Because that was discussed at length. yeah and i reread it to make sure what i was asking. you mention his improvements and how everything is working now. but i am beside the stats, his confidence, his control of the pitches. these subtle little things that tells everyone, he is ready to go up a level. maybe i am misreading it. either way many thanks for your hard work.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 4, 2015 -> 03:03 AM) There's no way Eaton is going down unless he's still slumping in late June or July. They're committed to him as the future CFer. Gillaspie's situation is more fluid with Beckham, Bonfacio, Davidson, Sanchez and Saladino. He won't get half the patience that Adam will receive because there are a lot of options for his particular position. i am not saying send them or him down for the season. i am saying send him down until he gets his swing back. playing full time in the minors to get the monkey off his back will be better ab's then the pressure filled environment of doing it in a mlb game.

well it is about time someone on that team held a meeting. the real ones, meaning the positional players, are the one who really need to hold a mtg.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ May 4, 2015 -> 02:33 AM) In the prediction thread I think many of us predicted this team would not make the playoffs. They are worst than expected though. But when you have the worst offensive team in the AL in numerous categories, that is not mental mistakes. lol.... that prediction thread. boy i really screw up there and in my predictions. esp in the first half wins.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 4, 2015 -> 02:51 AM) It isn't that obvious. Any fan who pays close attention knows that. It is when the players quit taking responsiblity away from the manager that you know something isn't right. i really don't know about that, but let say you are right. only 1 player has step up and said it is the players fault. that was Jose A and it was today.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 4, 2015 -> 01:21 AM) To me that shows some leadership is happening in the clubhouse. Abreu knows what this team looks like, and he is trying to take some of that blame off of his managers shoulders. That means they at least like Ventura, even if they don't play well for him. you got a good point. i am so skeptical right now, i will say that it the players trying to make it look good for Robin, b/c they know he is not doing what is needed to lead.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 4, 2015 -> 02:00 AM) The only way he doesn't get a QO is if he's actually seriously hurt. the best case, if the sox were going that rt is still ride out this season and give him a QO. he still may be worth something to someone. however considering how many fa pitchers will hit the market next yr, someone is going to be very disappointed. i see JS performed, i can not help thank the lucky star he didn't sign that contract extension.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 4, 2015 -> 02:03 AM) Robertson? i am crazy, but i would really hate to go thru all these yr of futility and watching a make shift team. i am still a die hard sox fan and i would rather watch the sox instead of that product on the northside. so for me, move conor and eaton to the minors until they gets their swing back. play Sanchez at 3b. play EB and or Shuck until eaton comes back, bring up Thompson. bury Danks or Hector, start Rodon. there is nothing to do with catcher until the off season.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ May 4, 2015 -> 12:56 AM) Nothing changes until the Sox are sold. Because with this current ownership group, you will not get a movement to, as you shrewdly suggest, "cherry pick...(superior) front office (execs from other teams) to actually build something (representing a sustainable winning Chicago White Sox organization)." No, the approach with Reinsdorf to building a front office and in-game management team continues to be borne of favoritism and loyalty, and favoritism and loyalty only. How else do you either explain the continued employment of people like Williams, Boyer, Pizer, etc in the front office, or the hiring of Ventura, Baines, and Boston in the dugout? I mean, Ventura is the prime example of all of this. He was hired to be the manager of a Major League Baseball team with ZERO managing experience, and he wasn't even in the damn game at the time. Ah, but he was a personal favorite of the Chairman, so that trumped hiring someone like Dave Martinez, who was actually in a dugout for many years learning from someone like Joe Maddon. So firing Robin makes sense, but does it when the next manager is just another Reinsdorf favorite with no experience like Jim Thome, for example. No, it does not. It's really frustrating that we, the fans, continue to suffer from such poor decision making. If the Sox do not make it to the postseason yet again this year, that will represent the 30th time in Reinsdorf's 35 years as owner that they haven't. It's an abysmal record of futility and I, for one, choose to hold Reinsdorf accountable for the continued mess he and his management team deliver to our fan base. I truly do look forward to the day, whenever that is, when we wake up and hear that the team was sold. The idea of a fresh new ownership with different ideas and approaches on how to guide this team that operates in the third largest market to success will be warmly received and embraced. Anything different than what's been peddled these past 35 years, I'll take it. Got nothing to lose at this point. bravo.... you missed on a couple of items, but who cares. someone other than myself is calling as it is. excellent points.

interesting article on mlb trade rumors. Jose A came to RV defense for people calling for Robin to get fired. he says its the players fault. i didn't get the link...... well b/c i didn't want to. i guess i am snarky.

QUOTE (MIZ-SOX @ May 4, 2015 -> 12:29 AM) I'm starting to think this team just isn't any good. In that case, hiring a new manager would pretty much accomplish nothing. welcome aboard. but you need to start with the most important part, the manager.

QUOTE (flavum @ May 4, 2015 -> 12:26 AM) It's not even so much that. I think the majority of fans, and pretty much everyone, know a change needs to happen if things don't turn around quickly. But in the end, they're going to have to fire a friend. That's tough stuff, and it'll probably take another 1-4 weeks unless they really turn it around. great logic, that is the major problem getting attached to people when you are in the position of authority. but here is the question, do the sox have someone in mind already to take over RV if needed?? when is it too late to make that change, if it is the last resort??

QUOTE (flavum @ May 4, 2015 -> 12:19 AM) I'd be fine if it happened tomorrow. But trying to see it from Hahn's POV (and Jerry/Kenny), I'd probably give it one more week at home. ok, i now see your point. yeah you are prob right. we the fans have that short fuse right now.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 3, 2015 -> 11:48 PM) That's why we spent that $100 million last offseason. yes i agree, i was responding to what the other poster said, that this team is bad regardless of who is steering.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ May 3, 2015 -> 08:35 PM) Just letting Montas fans know that he is on the hill for Birmingham today! thanks for the heads up.

QUOTE (daggins @ May 3, 2015 -> 10:37 PM) I kind of hope Robin does get fired, for two reasons - 1. To shut up the fire Robin crowd 2. So that people will see that this team is bad regardless of who is steering. so the players on the team is just bad, don't deserve to be in the mlb, so by your statement, no one is good to be on this team.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ May 3, 2015 -> 10:13 PM) It seemed like everyone loved Cooper, but I was never particularly fond of him. I would give him the boot too, even though he's been here the longest. coop in still among the 5 best pitching coach in the mlb. but i can guess he was also mentor RV as manager, well that experiment failed. it takes more that being a really good player to become a very good coach / manager.

QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ May 3, 2015 -> 09:55 PM) Danks would be a minor league invite guy if he wasn't on such a big contract. There's no value in keeping him on the roster. He's a sunk cost. Time to move on. how, with his contract and performance.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 3, 2015 -> 06:15 PM) This doesn't help your prediction of a big boost in attendance this year, FWIW. interesting question, didn't the sox got a big boost in season tickets already???

frustration is showing its ugly head. i know b/c i am almost thinking the same thing. the problem goes deeper, and it goes to when hahn was told to stop and hire retreads. the problem stems from kw and higher. there little act of lets do enuf to get fans back for the season tickets. that is the problem. now at this time, there is nothing the org can do to right this ship unless it cost pr actually the entire minor league. on the field, they need to finish the job, cat, 3b and a sub. in the process someone who can also lead this team. not a leader who is not afraid or ready to duke it out, but someone who can lead. putting all the eggs in the performance of Avi, conor and MJ, well play EB and start somewhere. keep MJ playing, move Melky in Adam slot. drastic temp moves. get some testies and fire RV, move a minor league coach in place or finds someone. hey JR and company, this is all on you. look in the mirror for the person to blame. oops.... i forgot you need to show a profit.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ May 3, 2015 -> 07:31 PM) I hate you i am going to sleep. i had enuf for today.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 3, 2015 -> 06:27 PM) My guess is that losing that whole year and then struggling when he got back probably contributed a lot to the "attitude" thing. He was on the usual white sox fast track beforehand, you actually could have thought about him coming up during that season if he hadn't gotten hurt in the spring. i know, i can't remember much of that time, due to illness, but he was actually the real deal. that is up to the time he got hurt. still, i wish the best for him.