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QUOTE (GREEDY @ Mar 18, 2009 -> 10:02 PM) You are wrong. It is not the least bit ridiculous to say that you believe the Bears would be much better suited with a game manager, as opposed to a gunslinger, because of their current roster makeup and the tough conditions they play several games in per season. I am not saying that Cutler isn't a good quarterback, nor is it saying that I prefer Orton. I am saying that Cutler isn't "free for the hauling", and I wouldn't give up value to bring in any player that isn't a good fit for this team. If the Bears are MUCH better suited for a game manager... then we should resign ourselves to the fact that we will never make consistent runs at the superbowl. It's not a coincidence that teams with pro bowl level talent at QB are seemingly in the title games (Conf. Champ, SB) every year. In fact, the only time we've made it to a title game in the past 20+ years was with --- a "gunslinger." The "game manager" tag is another way of saying... you have an average or below average QB. Orton is around average right now. Find me a trend of teams winning the SB with avg QB play and we can talk. While this team isn't a SB contender with Cutler... we're a lot closer to having a legitimate chance to win the big game with him than without him.

QUOTE (SoxFan101 @ Mar 18, 2009 -> 09:41 PM) Yeah, that is ridiculous. A quarterback cant be good in chicago because of the weather?!?! I mean you are aware that Denver has a ton of snow too, and a good amount of NFL teams are in cold environments with bad weather similar to Chicago or worse.... Yah... San Francisco is really windy, but that didn't stop them from producing two HoF Qb's back-to-back.

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Mar 18, 2009 -> 02:56 PM) I was just saying that if the Bears want Cutler, they shouldn't go in offering first round picks + picks next year + players. Go in with what the market has set with Cassel. Rex didn't "take" us to the SB. He had just as many horrible games where he was bailed out by the defense/return game. I don't think the Broncos are going to trade Cutler, either, but since you have to tear up his contract, which is right, that's another reason not to give up too much. And the Broncos know this... 1) I think there is an art to the bargaining process... but Angelo should be prepared to offer what it takes to get Cutler on his roster. If it only takes the 18th pick, great. if it takes more... so be it. 2) I agree with you (eventhough I love me some rexy) but i was just trying to show that "Jay Cutler hasnt taken the team anywhere" isn't necessarily a barometer of his talent. The Broncos' defense since he has been the starting QB has been abysmal... if you put him on the Steelers, they still win the SB. 3) Tearing up his contract is of no concern to the Broncos... thats between Cutler and his new team. If the Bears refuse to give the Broncos a 3rd round pick because they have to give him a new contract, I'm sure another team will pop-up and meet that demand. Typically, I'd say the Broncos were screwed because they've kind of back themselves into a corner... but there is a market for Cutler and there will be a bunch of teams offering up packages of picks etc... they should be able to find a nice package -- regardless of their bargaining position.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Mar 18, 2009 -> 01:47 PM) I would be shocked if the Broncos would want that due to, as you said, the $$$ involved. If I was the Broncos I wouldn't really want anything higher than a second half of the 1st pick and more I agree... taking the 1st pick would be really risky for Denver. Your going to pay Stafford huge guaranteed dollars that you could have paid Cutler -- who is already established. The NFL really needs to do something about the way draft picks are paid... in a league of non-guaranteed contracts, its ridiculous that unproven players are given so much in guaranteed dollars.

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Mar 18, 2009 -> 11:32 AM) Do not...I repeat...DO NOT give the Broncos anything more than the first round pick (and probably just a 2nd rounder) for Cutler. Of course, I want this guy, he's a better quarterback than we have seen in this town since WAAAAAAY before I was born. BUT, here's a couple reasons why you can't give the Broncos more than that: 1) Most important! The market has been set by the Matt Cassel trade. I know Cassel hasn't done anything near what Cutler has done, but Cassel was given the franchise tag and I believe the Chiefs got him AND Vrabel for a second rounder. 2) Cutler, while better than anything we've got, hasn't taken the Broncos anywhere. 3) If the Broncos want him out and he wants out, everyone knows this, so why would you offer the Broncos anything more than you absolutely have to. That being said, I hope to Jeebus that the Bears are on the phone discussing this whole thing. 1) -- the market for Cutler = what other teams will pay... if the Bears want Cutler, they will have to make Denver the best offer according to Denver's demands. 2) Rex took us to the Superbowl... is Rex Grossman better than Cutler? Cutler is worth the hassle because its not hard to see how he COULD take you to the promised land... he's very talented and can make every throw on the field. 3) The Broncos do not have to trade Cutler. By all accounts, trading him looks like the last thing they want to do now. Of course you dont want to pay a single penny more than you have to... but if the Bears actually want to bring in a franchise QB, your going to have to pay up. Furthermore, if Angelo acquires him (highly unlikely) he will have to tear up his old contract and sign him long term -- this is what teams who are actually willing to do whats necessary to win do.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Mar 17, 2009 -> 10:03 PM) It is. KW should be running the country. you better believe KW would balance the 11 Trillion dollar deficit... probably through a series of acquisitions of young promising talent, and former 1st Rd draft picks.

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QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Mar 17, 2009 -> 02:22 AM) Williams with his injury has much more value to the Bears than any other team, trading him now is trading him at a very low point IMO. I think Chris Williams' worth is tied to how much bonus money he has already received from the Bears... if the Bears have given him a big chunk of his 10 mil guaranteed -- then I think he's really valuable to another team. If you can get a young OT prospect like Williams and you don't have to guarantee him that much... thats gravy. However, i'm not sure how much he made via signing bonus, roster bonus etc... QUOTE (knightni @ Mar 17, 2009 -> 02:35 AM) Orton, a #1 this year and a #2 next year? That sounds pretty good to me... I'd do it in a heartbeat.

It shouldn't be about money either... if anything Bringing in Cutler will make the team more profitable. The Bears will create more buzz about the team and sell more Cutler jerseys than Forte jerseys. It would give the team the first bonafide superstar since Urlacher was drafted and has declined.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Mar 16, 2009 -> 11:35 AM) John Clayton was on ESPN radio last night and off the top of his head he thought it would be a 1 and a 3 and then a 2 next year. He also said the Bears might not have high enough picks to get it done. Jerry Angelo should offer whatever it takes, this year and next year's 1st round picks and 2 or a 3 next year. I could see the Broncos having interest in Orton, Forte, or Briggs as well. This is just one of those moments where you have to take the big chance. Honestly, this core of players is not going to get you a Superbowl, and Angelo should see that... I think you completely overhaul the team when you make a move like this and position yourself to make a serious run at the big game a few years down the road. Angelo said that you win because of the QB position... this is the time to at least test out that theory. If there is a move to be made and Angelo remains passive... he should be tied to Orton's performance and ultimately terminated if (when) that plan fails.

If we somehow nab Jay Cutler... hmm I was gonna say something here, but I can't think of what I could possibly do to show my happiness. I mean I wouldn't perform a sex act I would feel uncomfortable doing... but something along those lines, maybe.

QUOTE (rangercal @ Mar 14, 2009 -> 02:10 PM) All things considered, I would rank them as follows Chris Johnson Matt Forte Steve Slaton Darren Mcfadden Felix Jones Jonathan Stewart Tashard Choice Rashard Medenhall Kevin Smith Ray Rice With that said, every single back on this list has a shot to be very good, if not great. I would rank them differently, however, I think you're right... they is a lot of talent on that list. People might talk about this draft of RB's for a long time.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Mar 13, 2009 -> 05:35 PM) Andre Smith runs 40 at Pro Day...gag me. ugh i saw this on NFL network... those are some bonafide pancake titties.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Mar 13, 2009 -> 09:46 PM) What tells you he wasn't the best? Nobody is a complete back like him. Nobody can catch it, run with it, and block like Forte can. Johnson isn't an every down guy and neither is McFadden. Ray Rice didn't show me that much last year and while I like Kevin Smith, he is no Forte. I actually like Steve Slaton alot... he's a better pure runner than forte, about the same as a receiver, but not as good of a blocker. he was the best rookie running back last year.

QUOTE (shipps @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 07:15 PM) No problem, the cam shaft gets me everytime. I want a liter-o-cola.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 05:33 PM) Link Yikes, it's not the worst thing I've heard an NFL player do (Ray Carruth probably holds that title), but for a guy who has had character issues in the past... this is probably the last thing he needed. well, he got his $$$ already so I dunno.

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the only thing that im pissed about is that a british company now hold the naming rights. I prefer it to be called Trojan Condom Tower if need be.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 02:16 PM) I dont think Forte is dime a dozen and I think the Bears would be stronger with Forte+Cutler vs Cutler+unknown draft pick or Kevin Jones. I think the Bears would be ready to compete if they just traded draft picks. That was my point. We absolutely agree on that point. Matt Forte(while a 2nd rounder last year) would probably be worth close to a first round (late firstround) pick this year. You'd have to imagine that a team would rather have a somewhat known commodity like Forte rather than pick someone in the late first round, pay them first round money, and have no idea of how they will perform. I was tooting the Forte horn from the time we drafted him last year, I was finally right! (Rexy still stings SO MUCH!)

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 12:36 PM) Thanks for going through both sides of the argument for us. Either way, you trade Forte and you have to look for one of those "dime a dozen backs" which have eluded the Bears since the 90's. It makes them take a large step back, its easier for them to trade draft picks. Matt Forte is a good player at an important position. Jay Cutler has the chance to be a GREAT PLAYER at the MOST IMPORTANT POSITION. If you disagree with this assessment... than thats the end of the discussion. I think you're wrong, but its sports... who cares. I think that's really the only argument there is to be made. I mean you can say that Forte may be the next Walter Payton, but I don't think his play suggests that (not talking stat-wise here), he doesn't possess the type of game breaking skills that separate a good RB from a transcendent RB like LT, AP, Barry Sanders etc... I think the "dime a dozen" argument doesn't necessarily apply to Forte because he's better a 1000 yard journeyman who averages 3.0 yards a carry. However, you can find a RB who will provide enough production where there will be an overall gain in offensive production by adding Cutler than if keeping Forte.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 12:24 PM) "I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with me" -Instantly one of my favorite movie quotes of all time. Jackie Earle Haley was a great cast as Rorschach. Who would have thought that the cute kid from Bad News Bears would grow up to look so insane and disturbed. maybe the reverse can also be true.... keep the faith jason gage... keep the faith.

Last night was an amazing game... playoff tempo! Huet played well, but i think Cam Ward played wayyyy better. The hawks had a bunch of quality opportunities and he turned most of them away. Mr. Bolland -- use your stone before games so next time you dont lose an edge and put the game in jeopardy. thanks.

QUOTE (rangercal @ Mar 11, 2009 -> 01:51 AM) I am not getting my hopes up this time. your the smart one.

Whatever it takes Period. Period. Period.

When will the Mike North national nightmare finally end?