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I think it is also real nice to see Vasher ink because it shows the org still tries to take care of its own and this should at least slightly end the negative stigma that has been going around due to the Briggs situation.

Glad the organization stepped up and made him pay for the mistake (I assume this means he was in fact under the influence).

QUOTE(SoxFanInDallas @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 01:56 PM) If you want to get technical. But if a guy comes in a trade and spends more time in that minor league org than the original, it really is the same thing. He spent 1.5 seasons with Cubs in the minors and spent 2.5 with the White Sox. picky picky Plus we turned him around. He had not been dominating in the Cubs system. He was a high draft pick, but he turned into a top prospect when he made adjustments in the Sox system (and he has lived up to expectations).

Bears dump tanks and reup with Vasher. http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=3550

QUOTE(daa84 @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 11:11 AM) theres about a 0% chance arizona trades young, a top prospect and quentin for anything unless the package they get in return is something like sanatana and mauer or morneau Ya, but I'm sticking to my guns. If you don't get what you want for Buehrle (two upper echelon prospects plus 3rd guy who is a high risk/high reward type guy) than you keep him for draft picks and continue to make an effort to resign him.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 10:51 AM) So, I assume the Yanks would stick Dye at 1B then. I'm not to familiar with Joba and Kennedy. I know Joba has a good fastball. Are they better suited for the pen or rotation, etc? Kennedy has a decent fastball, a pretty damn good secondary stuff. Joba is a higher upside guy though. I think Joba is the type of guy they project into the front of the rotation (but it is still early to judge that) while Kennedy is a notch below that based on what most experts say (I however, like him a lot more than most).

Salty and Escobar and I'd bite. You get the catcher and middle infielder of the present and future. I'd still try to put a gun to there head and grab Devine who could potentially be Jenks future replacement. Again, I don't know if the Braves would make that type of an offer, but that is what it would take to get a guy like Jenks. If it were the Dodgers I'd ask for Ethier, Billingsley and Betemeit (with the first two being non negotiable, unless of course they would prefer to give the Sox Loney instead of Ethier).

QUOTE(IowaSoxFan @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 11:01 AM) I would not do that trade, that is not enough to make me want to trade him, and since we have no incentive to make that deal, and they are going to move Salty anyway because they have no place for him to play, that is not very good value. We would need at least three prospects back for Jenks, one major league ready, and maybe two prospects that are a year or two away. You should get more. No player in the organization has more value via a trade than Jenks (Konerko and Garland would probably be close 2nd's.

Quentin is iffy. I don't like him unless you are getting Chris Young...another top prospect, plus Quentin. He fits more as a 3rd guy in the trade (high upside, but he's struggled and lost some value) with the other two being top notch high ceiling prospects.

Wow...who knew the Sox were still playing games. Hopefully Danks throws a gem.

I really don't see Arizona making much sense unless they considered giving up a package involving Chris Young and a top flight pitching prospect.

I think it depends on what is on Kenny's mind. Still, I see no reason to move him now. I think he's the type of person you hold on...if the rebuild goes longer than expected you can always move him later on down the road imo. Plus I'm not a fan of giving up good young players when you are in a rebuilding mode (unless you get a completely ridiculous offer). Say the Braves offer up Devine, Salty and Escobar (again I said this is a completely ridiculous offer, but if they came up with it I'd than say alright we've been wowed, you now have Jenks).

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 10:38 AM) If we got Martinez or Gomez offered straight up for Contreras, we should accept it while we're still ahead. We'd probably have to throw in some cash, like 3 million for 08 and 09, but that would save us 14 million all together. I really don't think we could get much more then an A prospect for Contreras. In fact, we'd be lucky to get that much. If the Mets offered a B prospect and would be willing to take on his whole contract, I'd do that as well. I think it is more likely that the names that came up would involve one of Humber, Pelfrey, Milledge and if that did happen we should be exstatic to get one of them, imo. That said I always thought a lot of people on this board were undervaluing Contreras, but at the same time I still am taking a I'll believe it when i see it approach to the talk that the Mets would give up more of Contreras than Buehrle.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 10:27 AM) My point is that the Chicago White Sox got exactly what they deserved when they signed Navarro to that contract over Clemens and Navarro blew up. Navarro had a history of putting up 5 and 6 + ERAs and then he has a couple of good years with the Cubs and we say, "Hey, let's sign him!" Buehrle is the complete opposite situation. It may stand that the Front Office will stand by their rule but I think that's idiotic, especially when all the circumstances are looked at. Navarro at 24 was throwing 234 innings for the Brewers all while posting 15 wins and a 3.92 ERA. He followed that up with a 246 inning season with 17 wins and a 3.33 ERA. The following year was a down year for him (still well over 200 innings) and than he suffered some setbacks and went to the Cubs where he posted two consecutive 200+ inning seasons with sub 4 ERA's. The guy was 29 and pretty much sans a season and a half had been a consistent 200 inning, sub 4 ERA guy. Lets not act like Navarro was some bum, this guy was pretty damn good prior to signing with the Sox.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 10:21 AM) I want Podsednik gone, I don't give a s*** if the Sox have to include money and a prospect to unload him before the deadline. I want a 0% chance him being back next season. I have to say I like what Pods said when he came back (pretty much ripping into the team for being dead). I'd move him, but would wait until the break hoping he shows he's healthy and could provide a spark at the top of the lineup for a team. If he could do that, we could actually get some good value for Pods. I also think if Erstad got healthy you could get a mid level type prospect for him as well.

Just think though...if the sox have all those draft picks, plus a top 5 pick...I'd be damn scared they'd go through the whole draft being concerned about signing bonuses and taking the easy signs opposed to for the most part the best talent.

QUOTE(Beastly @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 10:07 AM) There are several people I want to write letters to. Joe West (for his god awful country singing) and Kenny Williams, for when he trades Buehrle and gets rid of the last of my favorite players. I don't want to see a crappy rotation next year. The Sox need to keep Buehrle and Garland together long-term. I can see us keeping Vazquez and letting the Count walk his 50 year old fat ass out of town eventually. Hopefully he'll be traded before the deadline. By the way, am I missing something because I am not seeing a no-trade clause for the Count or Vazquez? Contreras has a no trade clause for the remainder of the year (it was part of his extension) while Javier Vazquez simply has a list of west coast teams that he will not be traded to (otherwise he can be traded anywhere else at will by the Sox).

Ya, I really can't bite on the Crede thing. Yes right now it would have been the right call but I know in the off-season my personal stance was that if you got a very strong offer move him, if you didn't, keep him. I didn't see Crede falling a part and with Dye likely moving on (this was the off-season thought process) you could have had hope that Crede would continue his progression and you could maybe come to accords and sign him to an extension (if you couldn't, you could always move him during the season or in the following off-season). The Angels were probably the only team putting much out there for Crede and I don't think talks ever got too serious because I think at that point the Angels were not going to bite and give up what the Sox would have wanted. You can also talk about dealing Garland, but Pence wasn't part of the deal (right now I'd be excited to have a guy like Pence, but at the same time Garland has been freaking fantastic for the Sox...unfortunately the club has no offense, bullpen and a stupid defense).

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 09:51 AM) Do you think a team will take a chance on him as a full time first baseman down the stretch when he hasn't really played there for two years now? If not, that narrows our options to about 2-4 teams, if that. Unfortunately I'm not sure if Cleveland would have any spot for him (and I know the Sox would hate to deal with a divisional foe that will likely be near the top of the division for a while) but the Angels clearly would have interest, Yanks could probably find a spot for him (if they found out another contender was interested) while the A's could definitely use the bat (and Thomes pay check probably fits in the A's budget). Still, that pretty much gives you the East Coast and the West Coast and I'm not sure if Thome would move to those places. If teams thought he could play first than you'd have a few more options for sure. It is going to be tough, but than again, he has to see this team falling completely apart and I still think he wants to win a ring pretty badly and he's going to realize pretty soon that just isn't possible in Chicago.

QUOTE(danman31 @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 10:11 PM) Well said. The thing i look forward to most is what changes are made and what young players will come up. The thing that kills me about watching the club right now is, aside from some of the starting pitchers and Konerko/Dye/Thome/Fields I have very little reason to get any enjoyment out of the team (because it is so incredibly frustrating and there are so few young players to look at grow). When a team is bad I hope to at least be able to see glimpses of the future but right now you just see the Sox getting worse and worse and completely self destructing. I really can't wait till a few deals are made and some exciting, yet I'm sure what will be frustrating, youth comes on over. We need an influx of talent and hopefluly that influx will be good enough to allow Kenny to make some moves again this off-season and slowly get this team fueled up to at least give it a shot in the next couple years (if he does things right I think it is fully possible).

Interesting. I wonder if the Mariners would have interest in doing this. They have mostly new people in since the last time he was there, otherwise I'd wonder considering how he pretty much held the franchise hostage to the point that the Reds vastly underpaid when they acquired Griffey (in terms of talent...of course Griff did end up getting hurt).

I don't really care...neither team is going to win a series this year and I don't see how Cub fans can really brag (not that I give two s***s what Cub fans or any other fans thing of the team...unless of course they think we are defending world series champs cause I would like to be able to say that at least a few more times in my lifetime).

Just thought we could have a fun little thread here predicting which players get moved: I am going to go with: Buehrle Contreras Dye Iguchi Uribe THOME (Yep, I think he's going to agree to be moved to a contender, but the club may have to take less in return because he has full veto power). I think in the end the Sox will hold onto AJP and Konerko (however, I think the Angels will at one point or another call up Kenny and see if they can acquire the slugging first baseman). I also don't think they'll move Thornton but Mac is a possibility. The thing is I wouldn't mind keeping most of the pen together and letting it start throwing and just hope it gets things figured out so that they know what they have and what they don't have for next year (that said, Mac and Thornton as well as Aardsma would interest some clubs)...same with AJP. Yep, I'm pretty much predicting an all out firesale. In addition, I think the first move is made by Friday.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 09:41 AM) What does Mark's personal life have to do with his trade talks? That is exactly what I'm wondering. I realize he's having a baby, but that isn't going to prevent the club from moving. The Sox respect Buehrle a ton and I think Buehrle respects the org a ton, however, in the end both sides realize its a business and it is probably why every start Buehrle makes could be the last we see one of my all time favorites pitch for the club.

I'm guessing both sides have had some contact, they are just not publicly indicating such out of respect for one another. I hope the org only says good things when Buehrle is moved and I can only hope this off-season they try to put a lucrative deal to together to at least attempt to bring him back to the southside.