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QUOTE(quickman @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 08:05 PM) Please tell me why you loved the way the draft turned out this year? I prefer taking pitching prospects in general and the Sox took a lot of guys with live arms. Not only do those arms have velocity but they have a lot of action. The secondary stuff is raw, but you have a better chance of teaching secondary stuff to a pitcher than you do teaching velocity to a pitcher. I also like the fact that the Sox took guys with good builds (ie good size and weight combo's because along with mechanics, I think having a good frame will help you sustain velocity and be able to throw a lot of innings).

This would be amazing.

I would love to get either one of them centered in a package around Dye. Joba is pretty high upside and I've been a big Kennedy fan since his college days.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 06:05 PM) In a Sunday Night game a month ago, Joe Morgan gave a 5 minute speech about why Sheffield is not only the best hitter in the game, but also the best clubhouse person and possibly deserving of a Nobel Peace Prize. Ya, I saw that. Joe Morgan is a freaking boob. I wanted him to shut up and just let Schurholtz talk (the best GM in baseball).

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 06:00 PM) It must have pained Joe Morgan to say that Pujols was the best hitter, and not Gary Sheffield. Cough Arod Cough. Well Arod is still the best player in the game.

Wow...RIP. I remember that ESPN feature and always heard Beck was just a great guy. Sad loss and thoughts go out to his family.

My guess is there was some debate...Shaffer was backing ring, most of the org was backing Blanton but the org let Shaffer make the call and he opted with his guy (afterall while Kenny has the final call, when it came to the draft Shaffer really was the guy who for the most part is making the call). I just know one thing...I freaking loved the way the draft worked out for the club this year.

That seems awful shady. If Kenny and the org told the Shaffer to take Blanton and he took another guy than I think he'd have been fired on the spot.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 05:01 PM) I think Pena's best comp is Sammy Sosa. A sammy Sosa off the roids, but sammy sosa, nonetheless.Considering the BoSox don't have a true spot for Pena, him being included in a deal makes a lot of sense. I like that comparison too. Good power, never an amazing average, but put him in a 5th or 6th spot in a lineup and he could make some serious noise (who knows maybe he develops a bit more and could turn into more of a middle of the order hitter).

Fathom...from what I've been told about the draft, thats bull (I'm sure some GM's do it, but others prefer to focus on other things). Have they seen video of the pitchers, yes, but they typically talk to there scouts. KW being more hands on in this draft was him setting out a limit to go after "toolsy" players and take chances and try to find some high impact high reward guys (since KW in general is a tools type of GM as opposed to a sabermetric type of GM).

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 03:29 PM) Yep, and then he went and drafted a pitcher he had never seen in person. Big f***ing whoop. Plenty of teams GM's haven't seen there first round picks in person.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 04:08 PM) We already have one of those, his name is Luis Terrero. Let me know when Terrero hit 26 hr's in about 350 major leauge at bats. The guy has always been stuck in outfields with too many guys and because of it hasn't started. I don't know if he'll ever hit for a great average, but jesus he has the tools and would be the perfect guy to get along with two highly ranked prospects (essentially you get two top prospects and than a high risk high reward guy who has already played a couple major league seasons).

QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 11:55 AM) They were talking earlier as well that the Rockies might try to get into the Buehrle sweepstakes...with as bad as they have been they must have some interesting prospects... Tulowitzki would be my starting point. Again, I don't give a s***...you want an ace, your going to give up top prospects or studly young players....case closed.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 11:32 AM) You know that package is probably twice as much as what we'll get. Now you're getting everyone's hopes up. I don't freaking care. This is probably the best pitcher to get traded at the deadline since Bartolo Colon and that is life when you have quite a few competing teams, with good upper level prospects, that are interested in making a deal. Any Braves package involves Sally PLUS some (and yes they would have to give him up to make a deal). I don't give a s***, if the Sox are dealing Buehrle they better get an assload because that will not only benefit the Sox by getting good value in the Buehrle deal, but it will also set the market high. Unfortunately for someone like Jermaine Dye the value is going to be very low. The club can only hope it gets some decent prospects for guys like Iguchi (and I said decent), Pyrzinski, Uribe and whoever the heck else they move.

I think the price starts at Bucholtz and one of Ellsbury/Lowrie plus Willy Mo Pena. That is just my take.

Considering I may be the biggest Jacque Jones fan on the site, I think I'd be the only one excited (and yes I drastically over value Jones). That said if they were going to make this move it should have been a while ago. What are the rumored names? I don't want the Sox to give up anything worth while, considering the club is toast this year anyway.

There was a rumor of this going around yesterday. Is it actually official?

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jun 20, 2007 -> 02:35 PM) Braves acquired LHP Wilfredo Ledezma from the Tigers for LHP Macay McBride. A challenge trade involving two talented and inconsistent left-handed relievers. We give the edge to the Braves here. Ledezma had a 4.79 ERA and a 24/26 K/BB ratio in 35 2/3 innings for the Tigers this season after posting a 3.58 ERA in seven starts and 17 relief appearances last year. He possesses the talent to start, but like McBride, he has definite command issues. The Braves will throw him into middle relief for now and may give him a look as a starter later. If only Leo Mazzone was still around in Atlanta, we'd call Ledezma a major sleeper in NL-only leagues. This is a great move for the Braves. Ledezma has a good arm and good stuff. He has the ability to be a pretty damn good pitcher in the majors.

Escobar is flat out over-rated. He's a good prospect, don't get me wrong, but he's over-rated. However, a package of Escobar, Lillibridge and Devine would be something that made you think (I don't know if the Braves would do it and I don't think it is a total no brainer for the Sox either). I still say they would part with Salta. Last year in the minors he had a horrid season...this year he's been looking damn good and his value is up a lot....Braves could move him, knowing McCann is better.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jun 21, 2007 -> 10:42 PM) I pick him up anyways; trade the C type prospect for him, hope and pray he can do something within the next month and stay healthy, and then try and deal him off for a B prospect at the end of the month. Ya, I was going to say that would be an option. Heck, even if you keep him all season, if he does good and you like him you offer him arb and hope another team comes around and you get compensation (otherwise you get him relatively cheap). I assume it wouldn't take more than a Heath Phillips or so to get him or maybe a Robert Valido.

I have watched it since day one. Fantastic show.

I don't know how you'd get email from them. Did you get a PM or something? I haven't heard of it but I would never approve of that sort of advertising (I don't give out any email addies...EVER and I don't do pop-ups).

QUOTE(iamshack @ Jun 21, 2007 -> 11:42 AM) Ahh, how humorous it would be if KW were to get Chris Young back in a Buehrle deal... The great Chris Young could come to the rescue- he of the .281 OBP and .715 OPS. He'd fit in wonderfully with this club! I'd be f***ing thrilled to get Young back as part of the package. He'd be a welcome addition to the southside. Package that with some pitching prospects or one more outfield prospect and I'd be a happy camper.

I don't give two s***s about his injuries or anything else...sign him the f*** up. The man can freaking hit when he's out there and he makes a team better. The Sox extremely lack talent and Bradley is bursting with it in a position that they are getting killed at. This is a freaking no brainer. I assume the A's have 10 days to trade him? The only way I wouldn't pick him up, is if Kenny has in fact written the team off and is going to deal off the vets (in which case I wouldn't want Bradley around the younger players, considering he'd walk at the end of the year anyway).

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 21, 2007 -> 12:06 PM) Who would you like to see get the first shot in the rotation? And you can put several guys in an order you like in case there are also injuries/somebody struggling/other trades. The list of guys I immediately think of is Masset, Broadway, Floyd, Russell, Egbert, and Gio. Here is my list: 1. Masset (I'm really curious what he would do as a starter) 2. Floyd (With his age, now or never point is nearing as he pitches better at AAA) 3. Egbert (His GO/AO and our ballpark seem like a perfect fit) After that, I don't think Gio is ready, Broadway is doing well at AAA but I don't trust his control enough with the 2 seamer yet, and Russell is struggling way too much at AA for me to think he's ready. Gavin Floyd. Second would definitely be Nick Masset as of this moment. I actually wouldn't mind seeing him down in AAA working and being groomed to be a starter just in case the club swings Contreras and Buehrle.