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QUOTE(Beastly @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 02:31 PM) I agree with you when you say resign Buehrle and keep Garland, too. I think the Sox wanted to see how Buehrle could rebound from last year, and I think Buehrle wanted to perform in his contract year so he can test the market. However, Buehrle could take the Konerko like route and stay with the Sox. If they could, they should subtract: Contreras, Uribe, Crede, (in the off-season) Dye, Podsednik (not sure what his value is), Erstad (in the off-season) and Anderson. What could you get for Contreras? Beastly, good seeing you back around here. I think you'd have to move Erstad now. If he comes back and plays grinderish he's good enough to help a contender and get you a mid-level prospect. Pods could be the same type of situation...same with Uribe and Iguchi. All the while Contreras should be able to get you a pretty darn good prospect (not likely a top 100 prospect, but a top 5 in a teams system) plus another top 10 prospect or similar to that (imo) while Dye should get you a pretty nice package to boot (definitely should get you close to two top 5 prospects, plus maybe a lower level prospect thats top 20 in a teams system). Conteras is a deal that depends on whether you can get him to waive his no trade clause (but it should be a no brainer if he says yes...same as the Dye deal). I also think Thome is another guy that is a no brainer to trade (because he's out in a year, has injury problems and I completely think its assinine to have your best hitter as a DH when you are an AL team because in the end you are at a disadvantage for interleague play as well as the world series...and yes I know its being nit picky but I feel thats the case). Keep Garland, Keep Buehrle (Buehrle to a 5 year deal...extend Jon's contract...keep Vazquez unless you get overwhelmed with an offer....my reasoning is Vazquez has an affordable deal so no reason to panick and move him now...however if you dealt him, it would be to get more young talent, open up spots to let the young starters battle and give the Sox time to evaluate them this year before the Sox decide whether to go out and add another veteran pitcher to head the 08 rotation with Garland/Buehrle). QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 03:37 PM) Is there anything the Sox can do with Sweeney by keeping him down this year that will add another year to his arb clock despite the fact that he was already up once? (Yes, I'm being cheap). And on Anderson, I'd like to see him up, but not yet. He's still getting over some shoulder issues and he hasn't yet found anything resembling a AAA groove with the bat yet. I'd still hate for this organization to give up on him and sell when he's at his dead lowest value, but there's no reason for him to be on the big league team right now. Post trading deadline, I think it might be a decent idea to work that kid back in if the team ever expects to get anything out of him. I don't know how clear I can get, but I would be absolutely stunned to ever see Anderson don a White Sox uniform again. Not saying it couldn't happen, but I highly doubt it will. However, if they really do a turn and burn and Anderson is still in the org after July 31st (I doubt it) than your right he will be up. Sweeney should come up for good and get at bats along with Fields. I also think in time, we should see the new guy Richars up (once Guchi is moved).

QUOTE(danman31 @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 12:37 PM) And were completely classless in doing. Dominguez showboated the whole way around after a big HR and the manager argues with the ump 5+ times per game. Well, try throwing strikes to a guy when if you miss inside you hit him. Its alright....just a bit heated after that Mizzu loss. Don't worry, my Titans are now backed into a wall.

I just wanted to say Happy Fathers Day!!!!!. And to my own...I say thanks

Owens is trade bait...Sweeney should be up and getting consistent at bats with Josh Fields. My guess is we will see that happen, but not until the Sox make a trade or two (which will hopefully be before July 1st).

Fantastic attitude...I like it.

QUOTE(retro1983hat @ Jun 15, 2007 -> 02:40 PM) Did WSCR not give money to Soxtalk when it came calling? Jeez, whenever Mike North is involved, this board always takes the other side. Like with the Ozzie situation as well. I love the Sox, but every day its another situation where the players, staff, management act like immature jerks. Grow up and play baseball better. All these ills will be relieved. I can't stand Mike North. But he didn't deserve to be defended here.

Awesome story and welcome aboard.

DIdn't he or isn't he getting moved back to the rotation. I thought the move was temporary and they were working on a couple things than moving him back to the rotation.

What a f***ing dumb play by Uribe. Things have gotten so bad that the Pirates announcers are laughing at how stupidly the Sox play baseball (saying how the offense may not be the only reason they are so bad....that it also has to do with the consistent bone headed plays on the basepaths and in the field). Worse part about the play Uribe made was that that pitcher was coming up next so we would have had 2 outs and the runner still there. Instead the pitcher got the bunt down, runners on 2nd and 3rd and the top of the order is up. The top half of that inning was fun though...one of the funnest I've seen all year from the Sox.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 09:23 AM) I still think they were scouting Figgins. I would have no problem with getting him while his value is down. The guy has been raking after having a slow start coming back from injury. He's still a good age and has plenty of solid years ahead of him. He also gives Ozzie what he needs and should be a valuable player not only this year but for future years. Yeah...I'd be all for it.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 08:40 AM) Adam Dunn is a right fielder in the same sense that Paul Konerko is a right fielder. Yeah he has a little bit of speed but he's insanely brutal no matter where you put him in the field, he's a DH and he's going to be making $12M+ over the next 4-5 years something the Sox really can't afford since it wouldn't fill a need. I agree with you. I think the only way you can consider this move is if you've already talked and have convinced Thome that closer to the deadline you will work on moving him to a contending team. Dunn is absolutely terrible in the outfield (and that includes LF where he played a lot as well). But you'd also have to be convinced the you could sign Dunn to a fair deal and he really isn't a 12 mill a year player (unfortunately thats what it would probably cost).

If Traschel is seriously the second best guy that will be available...than not only is Buehrle's value going up (to the point that I will continue to stick to my Pelfrey/Milledge of Martinez plus a high upside lower level guy) but Jose Contreras value will be up as well (if they can find a way to sell him).

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 06:48 AM) I'm sure I don't have to remind you baseball sages about this, but, I will anyway. Many times, clubs are very, very hesitant to trade for A-ball talent. The reason: more times than not the team trading the A-baller has discovered some type of development they are very concerned about and hope to deal the problem away before opposing scouts catch wind of what is really going on. If you were to ask scouts from around the league, each and every one would express their hesitation to trade for such young A-ball talent. That said, most clubs are not exactly thrilled with trading for someone much older than the average age of the league he is in anyway. Pick your poison. Like I said, to me, this is nothing to look twice at. Here...put it this way, the guy is top 6 in the Sox system and the other guy is around 20-25 in the Dback system (Cunningham is based on right now, while Richar's is based on the pre-season and he definately didn't slip). Now you have to factor that the Dbacks system is one of, if not the, deepest and strongest in all of baseball while the Sox system is middle of the pack (maybe slightly below, simply because there are absolutely zero "HIGH CEILING" prospects anywhere near the majors with De Los Santos the only potential high ceiling guy I can think of right now and I'm not factoring in current year draft picks). That means you can move Cunningham as being a borderline top 10-14 guy in the Dback system. Next you factor in that A ball players typically are devalued a bit (addy brought this up) in terms of there overall trade value while a guy in AAA typically can be devalued a bit but in this guys case he still had a bit more value being in AAA as opposed to the guy in A ball so again that evens things out. Kenny is taking a bigger risk, however, you could get close to calling it a wash when you factor in the absolute lack of middle infield talent in the system. But based on what I was reading by comments from Ozzie/Kenny I was reading this is a move for minor league depth and to give them a body to play down in AAA and that doesn't seem to good. IF your concerned about guys down there, just freaking sign some scrub, don't trade for it. I still say at least the Sox are getting a high upside guy and because of it I can't slam the move, can't rave about it either.

Ya, I like the guy. Seems to be a good value pick.

QUOTE(kwolf68 @ Jun 16, 2007 -> 08:20 PM) The White Sox going after Adam Dunn is almost too stupid to even consider. Depends on the cost. Hell, I wouldn't be opposed to it if they were able to get Dunn for a reasonable amount (via trade) and than try to broker him elsewhere (or sign him to an extension and use him to replace Dye who is dealt as well as Thome who is dealt). And this is coming from someone who isn't a huge Dunn fan. The thing I worry about is how much money he'll get because I really don't think he's worth more than 8-9 mill per year and I think teams will give him more like 13 mill per year.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 16, 2007 -> 04:07 PM) Haha -- yep, the Mets are going to give this up for a little more than three months of Mark Buehrle. We'll be lucky to get two of those. You can bet your ass the Sox could get Milledge and Pelfrey for Buehrle. I guarantee they could get that much (Milledge stock is down in the Mets eyes) and the Mets would likely be able to at least put a competitive offer out there for mark. Now I dont' think you get that good of a 3rd guy, rather you'd be able to get a lower level guy with pretty damn good upside. That is if the Mets really want to get another pitcher and actually have a chance at competing for something more than just the playoffs. QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 16, 2007 -> 09:33 PM) Well Joe Blanton had a 4.82 ERA pitching half his games in a plus pitching environment. Mark Buehrle has an ERA around the 3.50 mark after today's outing, so there's quite a bit of difference b/w the 2 pitchers in terms of talent and output. Joe Blanton isn't Mark Buehrle. Mark Buehrle could help you get a world series...Joe Blanton won't.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jun 16, 2007 -> 02:09 PM) You're welcome. I think this just means that the Sox don't feel that they can re-up with Iguchi, or have found so through talks. I hope we can move Gooch for a package of talent. I wouldn't want them to even think about reupping for Guchi. I really really enjoyed his first couple years with the club, but I don't want him back. QUOTE(bulokis @ Jun 16, 2007 -> 02:35 PM) Richar seems like a decent replacement for Gooch next year. Somebody who is fast and can play 2nd/SS. I would have love the deal more if its not Cunningham traded. I guess we Anderson and Sweeney ahead of him so we can trade him and get somebody close to being ready to play 2nd or short for the future. Anderson probably isn't rated higher than Cunningham by the Sox (call it a hunch). However, I'm sure scouts prefer Anderson's tools to Cunninghams (and they should cause Anderson has a lot of a lot more ability, but he also has a horrific swing). QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 16, 2007 -> 03:15 PM) You never heard that Willie Harris was supposed to be a regular? How long have you been following the White Sox? He actually was a regular for a little while. Hell, the Sox dumped Ray Durham for so cheap soley so they could give Harris regular at bats. The guy was very highly thought of by the org. I know I was a huge fan of his and I still think Oz and the Sox did a horrible job with him (and I never have thought Ozzie is that good when it comes to young position players and helping them develop). QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ Jun 16, 2007 -> 04:31 PM) more evidence of how poorly we have drafted for the last four or five years. Speaking of which, I was looking back at the first five rounds of the Sox past few drafts and wow they were terrible (until the draft that involved Russell and a few others after the first round or two). QUOTE(danman31 @ Jun 16, 2007 -> 06:25 PM) Cunningham hasn't played CF all year. I think he projects more as a RF'er myself. He could play CF, but he will only be average there. He has the ability to be a bit above average in right. QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Jun 16, 2007 -> 08:30 PM) KW has been burned in more than 1 trade, but Byrnes is a guy that burned him in one of the worst deals of his tenure. My take is that Cunningham is unlikely to be an impact player in the bigs. Richar, a 24-year old putting up pedestrian numbers in the PCL is even less likely to make an impact. Planning on him being the starting 2B in 2008 doesn't bode well. It's shaping up to be a historically bad season. No way was the Vazquez deal that bad and this is coming from someone that backed and talked and wrote about Chris Young before he was ever one of the top prospects in baseball.

QUOTE(bigred3535 @ Jun 16, 2007 -> 02:00 PM) I recently developed an infatuation with Cunningham so naturally the Sox trade him. At least it seems like we got something that might be usable someday though. Would have been pissed if it was for some sort of Ryan Bukvich/Bret Prinz type arm. That was actually my biggest fear when I received a message on my phone telling me Cunningham was dealt. I was so scared Kenny traded him for some old veteran reliever or some old crappy outfielder. Than I came on to see it was for Richar and I was a lot more happy (since it was a youth for youth move and this youth filled a more immediate need...albeit OF is obviously a dire freaking need). The Sox and AZ have a very good relationship so you never know, this deal could have came about as part of discussions for another deal (say Kenny was working on a Dye deal but they couldn't agree just yet, however during the discussions the Sox got very itnerested in Richar and bit on this initially and told the Dbacks they could further discussing things cause I do think the Sox could have some interest in some of the Dbacks OF prospects).

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 16, 2007 -> 01:59 PM) The bigger question is what the hell do the Diamondbacks need with another outfielder? They have what like 15 future major league outfielders currently in the organization? Ya, that was the one thing I thought about. It makes you think when they deal a middle infielder for yet another outfield prospect. It could be that Richar had expressed some sort of desire to get an opportunity and they granted him it or it could just be the Dbacks really like Cunningham and think they are getting a bargain. Who knows.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 16, 2007 -> 01:53 PM) That's my concern -- that his good slugging percentage (.479) is PCL inflated. Here's a profile I found on Richar, although it was written a year-and-a-half ago... http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=251&p=2&c=494556 Richar has risen a bit since than, but you don't hear as much about him since he is behind a couple other guys in the Dbacks system. He had a great fall league and his minor league numbers showed improving power prior to hitting the PCL (which is a positive, albeit I do agree with you that there is reason to be skeptical). Still, I never thought as highly of Cunningham as others, albeit I think Cunningham has a far better career than Brian Anderson will have.

Hell the guy already has 32 extra base hits this year, which is pretty damn impressive (albeit he's doing it in a hitters league). His walk totals appear to be on the rise over the past couple years as well. He also had a pretty impressive Arizona Fall League Apparently as he was named to BA's "AFL Rising Stars List" during the most recent fall league. QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jun 16, 2007 -> 01:49 PM) Disappointing base stealing numbers for someone who can fly. That is the one concern. It was also the same concern I had about Jerry Owens so called speed (but this season, for whatever reason, a switch flipped and Owens steal numbers took off). I just wonder if teams have been careful due to his ankle injuries. Either way you know if the guy is quick the Sox org will be working on turning him into a better base runner (and he will likely get to at least get a game or two with Pods and hopefully a bit longer whether its at the major league or minor league level).

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 16, 2007 -> 01:45 PM) Meh -- he's a 24 year old with an .827 OPS in the PCL. Looks like he might be a pretty good backup, and at the very worst, he does bat left-handed so I imagine he and Gonzalez could make a pretty good (~.270/.340/.420) platoon. However, he can fly has continuously started hitting with more and more power and fills a position that the Sox have crap at. And yes, Andy Gonzalez is crap. Chris Getz isn't crap but is a tweener.

I don't hate the move, don't necessarily love it. I do think it is good to get a strenght in the system. I also know I'm one of the few that doesn't ever see Cunningham developing into an all star (however, I can see him developing into an Aaron Rowand type of role player). That said, outfielders are a lot easier to come by and Cunningham was still a couple years off. The guy the Sox are getting has a s***load of speed, good tools, and pop for a middle infielder and fills a serious need. Still, he's very raw and there is definately reason for concerns and I would think the odds are greater than Cunningham has a better major league career.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 15, 2007 -> 04:17 PM) If I could, I ask for everyones prayers today for a friend and fellow student who was hit by a car this morning. Apparently she has suffered some head injuries and is in serious condition. Thoughts and prayers

One turd gone....now time to get rid of another turd.