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It's already been f***ing weeks too late. Its god damn ridiculous this team hasn't made a move. That said, I should note that for all I know Kenny has been busting his balls trying to do so and just couldn't get anyone to bite.

Milledge and Pelfrey is definitely a good starting point. From there I think you look for some high upside guys in the lower levels.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 15, 2007 -> 12:46 PM) What he's paid for is to give an interview, not to be cut off at the knees. North was attacking and condescending right out of the gate. And calling North a "sportcaster" is as hysterical as calling Paris Hilton a "movie star". Exactly...Paris Hilton is a musician

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 11:39 PM) Gage vs. North, eh? Celebrity boxing at its finest. I agree...I knock him out....and SSR hits the air-waves.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 10:38 PM) I'd probly answer that question the same way. North's garbage. I'd have been even worse. I'd have dropped multiple f bombs on North and threatened him to a fight.

You still doing some work at that site with TripleLyndys?

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 10:38 PM) I don't particuarly care for his throwing arm. The guy has enough problems putting up anything higher than a .750 OPS, despite the good plate discipline he has. He's basically another Ryan Sweeney, and that's not the type of OF we should be going after if we're trading our main chips at this point. The guy has an absolute hose. QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 04:33 AM) Why is everyone so obsessed with Melky Cabrera? He was never that good of a prospect, and he won't be a centerfielder and his bat won't fit at a corner outfield spot. I think the reason the Yankees system is ranked so high is because of Hughes, and the Yanks wont give him up. Tabata gained a lot of wieght this year, and most of their good spects are at the lower levels. Ian Kennedy=Lance Broadway, Kyle McCulloch. Ok he's a better prospect than those two but not by a whole lot, most people project him as a #4 starter. I have no idea why the Yanks gave him that huge bonus. Are you kidding me. Kennedy had a down season the year he was drafted with a bit of a velocity slip, but he's since re-established his fastball and has pretty impressive control and secondary stuff.

That bike looks pretty sweet Rock. I'm going to check it out at the bike store by my house tomorrow.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 09:35 PM) If the Cards were willing to make that deal I wouldn't even hesitate in accepting it. I really don't think Contreras has that sort of trade value at this point in time but I've been wrong before, I think. I think Contreras is pretty mediocre, but teams look for guys that have been good before and hope they can come back. Contreras would be that type of player and he has had some pretty good starts at times this season (its been his last few that have been pretty bad). I agree I doubt they do it, but its the type of deal I think both sides would at least consider (I think one of the big pluses for the Sox is they free payroll).

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 09:30 PM) You're not getting a player of Loney's caliber or Eithier for that matter along with Billingsley in exchange for Jermaine Dye. Reyes blows. The Cards would definitely make that deal, but I don't think the Sox would. Here is a question, would the Cards do Rasmus for Contreras (they are in a winnable division and Contreras still has the stuff to be pretty damn solid in the NL).

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 08:58 PM) The Yanks would never give up Cano in a deal, as his replacement wouldn't match him in terms of production or age (contract). People are really overestimating how much we could get for players. God dam right I'm going to ask for a s***load...no starter (unless Zambrano is dealt) will even come close to being what Buehrle is and if the Yanks want him (and they will likely be desperate) than they need to give up a lot. I should also note, if the club moves Buehrle, I want it to than push incredibly hard at signing Zambrano or another very good starter in the offseason (which again makes no sense, since Buehrle will sign a more affordable deal and probably be willing to take 5 years). The key to me is having a rotation of Garland/Vazquez/Buehrle or Zambrano or another front line guy/Danks/Gio or Floyd or Prospect Acquired.

QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 09:10 PM) Right now one of the last guys the Sox should give up is Garland, although no one is untouchable. I think the perfect scenario is getting Thome to agree to a deal, getting some two upper echelon prospects for him, plus one good prospect (all being guys that are on the cusp to major league ready) and than building a team around younger position players, Konerko, AJP (possibly), a FA outfielder (plus likely a trade pickup via the OF) and a rotation of Vazquez/Garland/Buehrle/Danks (plus one guy and that is still a pretty damn good rotation, imo). Moving Dye and Iguchi as well and maybe even Uribe. And I'm not overly concerned with losing Thome, simply because I think this team could find some solid bats (no one near as good as Thome) but I'll take quality bats throughout the lineup, extra speed, and an improved defense (plus the idea of having a legit top of the order, hoepfully a bullpen laced with youngsters and vets and a strong rotation). QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 09:10 PM) If we are rebuilding, and I mean really rebuilding, Kids can play mode, then it makes no sense at all to hold onto Jim Thome for 2 more years, especially with what he could bring back. But the big question would be...would Jim do it? That is the thing, would Jim be willing to just stay in Chicago and no he may not ever make the playoffs again or would he be okay with a move as long as it took him to a place he'd be happy (and I think you should be careful and at least try). Thome is going to continue to get hurt yet he still has amazing value...I say do it.

The Guys are back and this week they are absolutely positive the club should concede and start making trades. So check out the show as Gage & Scalise evaluate the guys the club could move, the ones that they should move, and the type of deals they would be fans of. http://www.soxtalk.com/podcasts/june14.mp3

QUOTE(Fantl916 @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 08:29 PM) he has a full no-trade clause... and the only reason he agreed to come here was because he is from here. i know some guys want to win championships, but KW would have to do an amazing sales job on Thome to get him to consider it. its nice in theory, but i doubt its happening Ya, I'm thinking the odds are anywhere from 1-5% but the fact of the matter is there probably isn't a better trade the Sox can make than one involving Thome and the Angels.

What if the Sox were able to get Thome to agree to a trade. Thome probably has a dream to win a world series championship and if Ken Williams came to Thome and basically told him that the Sox were going to be retooling to hopefully compete next year (but he couldn't honestly give that guarantee based on the number of question-marks) and eventually got Thome to agree. Wouldn't he be the absolute perfect guy to move. You could essentially move Thome to the Angels (who would probably at that point give up Brandon Wood and someone else or Howie Kendrick and someone else or Kendry Morales, Mathis/Napoli, Aybar, & Figgins and really load up on good prospects. And don't tell me the Angels wouldn't pounce on Thome. He's a character guy that would be the perfect protection for Vladdy and would pretty much assure them great odds of being in the series (with there pitching). Basically put, moving Thome would give the Sox the ability to load up without moving Buehrle (who is the best trade chip, albeit LAA would be so desperate for a guy like Thome he could in fact turn into the best chip). Corner a Thome deal with a Dye deal (again landing you at least one upper echelon prospect; maybe a Betemeit/Billingsley deal (meaning you could have an infield with Wood at SS, Betemeit at 2b or whatever; hell maybe you can get Ethier somehow, but without getting Billingsley), and than a Jose Contreras deal (I still think you can get some decent guys for him, but obviously no #1 prospects) plus Tadahito Iguchi and you are now talking about completely retooling your team while still having a rotation of Garland/Buehrle/Vazquez/Danks (with tons of chips to fill in for the 5th starters spot and those that don't win that job sliding to the pen). You'd also have freed up the money to extend Garland, resign Buehrle, and go hard after a position player.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 08:11 PM) i think they could maybe get kenendy and cabrera, but certainly not both and cano..... With Buehrle...put a gun to GM's heads, he will be the best pitcher on the trade market.

I was doing some thinking and its pretty obvious the Yankees would absolutely love the idea of Mark Buehrle. It is also obvious that they won't give up a guy like Phillip Hughes. However, they do have some other guys that could fill some needs on the south side of Chicago. I should also point out that to trade Buehrle, the Sox should get two young starters plus a upper echelon prospect. After thinking through things, the Yanks have two young starters named Melky Cabrera and Robinson Cano. I realize Cano is a bit over-rated, however, he hits for good power, plays a solid d (not great but he's better than Guchi and has improved a bit since his rookie season) and can hit for an average. Cabrera is also a bit over-rated, but he had a pretty damn solid rookie year. He will never hit for a ton of power, probably won't be an all star, but he should be a pretty steady .280-.290 with a .350 to .360 OBP all while playing pretty darn good defense with a real strong arm (plus he's young). Those two guys would be immediate starters in Chicago filling two serious need positions. The Sox would also include Tadahito Iguchi in this deal, so the Yanks can replace Cano temporarily. That brings us to the upper echelon prospect...Ian Kennedy. He was a stud at USC, a #1 selection in last years draft and has been absolutely dominant in the minors so far. I'm sure the Yanks would whine about it, but if the Sox deal Buehrle they have to get a high impact arm and Kennedy is that guy (he also has the ability to be a quick mover and be at the major league level sooner rather than later). Obviously I prefer to keep Buehrle and move Contreras (if you can get him to waive his no trade) but if not, I think this would be a pretty solid deal. Mix this with a deal with the Dodgers involving a pitcher plus Dye (maybe MacDougall or if they wanted Contreras and could get him to bite on a deal you could turn this into a bigger package) that gets you Ethier and hopefully Billingsley (maybe Loney or whomever else). You now have added a couple top notch pitching prospects, filled in your outfield with two young outfielders (plus you have Sweeney developing and obviously the ability to sign a guy like Ichiro or try to pick up a power bat because the lineup would obviously need some pop from somewhere) and gotten younger at 2b. LF - Ethier (or RF) CF - Cabrera RF - ??? (You could go with less power and try to land Ichiro or try to trade or sign a power bat) Sweeney would also get ab's and compete (but I fully think you should quite a few outfield options) 3B Fields and Crede SS - ??? 2B - Cano 1B - Konerko C - AJP DH - Thome (unless you can trade him). Definitely lacks a bit of pop, but you now have the money to go hard after an outfielder and try to move Uribe or whomever to upgrade at SS. Rotation: Garland Vazquez Danks Combo of: Kennedy/Gio/Floyd/Billingsley Worse Case: You use some of these guys to trade for an extra pitcher This doesn't factor in what you could get for Contreras, plus I think the Sox would than look to add in other areas (utilizing guys like Broadway).

QUOTE(kwolf68 @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 02:39 PM) I've seen several lists that are very current...about half of them have the Cards above the Sox, and half below. The White Sox minor league system is now safely among the 6 or 7 worst as is the Cardinals. Those lists are flat wrong. The system has really gotten a lot better as new guys have stepped up (Russell, Egbert, Gio, Floyd (if you count him a prospect), De Los Santos, Carter, Getz, etc).

Gotcha...so what type of price should I be looking at spending (I can get 50% back from my employer up to them giving me 500 bucks, meaning I could get a 1k bike and pay 500, however I don't think I want to spend that much on a bike). I should note I plan on doing a lot of my riding on the roads, while camping a couple times a year and at those points I'll do some terrain type of riding.

QUOTE(kwolf68 @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 01:42 PM) I'm not so much myself, but he scores out as one of their top 3 pitching prospects. In short, I don't think the Cards minor leagues is in any better shape than our own. Putting a deal together with St.Louis will be tough...if they had the Angels or Dodgers minor league system no doubt we could get something done, because the minor league depth of the two LA teams is amazing and they could easily part with elite prospects to bring in a stud like Mark B. It is way worse.

He'd be an amazing acquisition, but there is no way this club is going to pick him up. Unless of course they are interested in Gio and multiple other guys (or we can get a third team involved that gets Dye and more prospects go or maybe someone like Buehlre). I do agree, I'd give up a boatload for him.

Not interested in Reyes.

Yes...we should ask the farm, Buehrle is that freaking good.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 07:26 PM) AJ is a pain in the ass. Nothing worse. Dukes is a garbage human being. No thanks. His closest comparables -- oh, Barrett, Everett, Sheffield -- are nowhere near as bad as he is. Elijah Dukes is his own special monster. Carl Everett does not deserve to be up there.

The key is to move Contreras and get him to agree to waiving his no trade clause. I think teams would have interest in him. He's had a couple rough outings but the end result is he still has a relatively decent ERA while pitching in a hitters league and in a hitters park. I think you could get some talent for him, clear up some payroll and get another young arm up here to be able to better evaluate whether that young arm is capable of being considered part of the rotation in the future.