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QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 01:07 PM) But that's not what he said. I just saw those direct quotes. Hadn't seen that before. Still, I wouldn't think hahn would fly out unless the two sides had some sort of discussion.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 01:03 PM) Why? Buerhle's agent is saying he has no idea where the imminent signing reports are coming from. He hasn't spoken to the White Sox in a while. Sox By Mark Gonzales, 1:40 p.m. Jeff Berry, the agent for Mark Buehrle, said in a telephone interview Wednesday afternoon that he was surprised by a published report that stated the team had resumed negotiations with the White Sox's left-handed ace and that a deal could be finalized by the end of the week. "Nothing's going on," said Berry, who did acknowledge he was in the Tampa area. "Despite what's been [published]. "I'm not sure where those reports are coming from." Berry said he hasn't spoken recently to Sox general manager Kenny Williams and said his client's status remains the same since the end of spring training -- in which any negotiations won't resume until after the season, when Buehrle becomes a free agent. Five weeks are left before the July 31 non-waiver trading deadline I hadn't seen that. Well, its interesting to say the least.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 01:03 PM) Why? Buerhle's agent is saying he has no idea where the imminent signing reports are coming from. He hasn't spoken to the White Sox in a while. I can see him saying no deal is done....but if Hahn is on his way out than its likely they have already had some discussion and the rest will be finished up in person. You think Hahn would just fly out knowing the agent is out there??? My guess is they have talked, both sides are optimistic based on initial discussions and as a result the two sides agreed to meet in Tampa to get an official deal done.

Not necessarily new news but I do think the reason he was kept off the DL is because trade talks surrounding Dye have intensified and you can not deal a player who is on the DL. I think he could be dealt before he even plays another game, but it is more likely that he is dealt after this weekend (especially if he plays 3 more games). The Sox probably know they have to be careful and ensure he doesn't get super hurt (unless of course they have been getting poor trade offers, in which case he needs to get out and play and show teams he's healthy so you can get those offers and if he gets hurt for an extended period, than you collect your draft picks this off-season). I have my doubts as to whether the Dodgers would give up Billingsley in a trade package. Betemeit is a name that definitely makes some senes, but him alone isn't good value, imo.

QUOTE(103 mph screwball @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 12:57 PM) ILSOX7 at WSI posted the following link Chicagosports.com That pretty much indicates that Levine's assumption is bogus. I'm not saying the score is right either, but if Hahn is in Tampa and Buehrle's agent is in Tampa there is a freaking reason (especially based upon Buehrle's quotes in the Sun Times article this morning). I think there is going to be some sort of special announcement around game time tonight (even if the game is in Tampa).

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 12:51 PM) Since the start of 2005 GS IP H ER HR BB K HBP ERA WHIP K/9 BB/9 HR/9 K/BB PITCHER A 79 533.6 568 230 69 105 307 13 3.88 1.26 5.2 1.8 1.16 2.92 PITCHER B 79 536.6 551 231 59 117 273 17 3.87 1.24 4.6 2.0 0.99 2.33 Exactly...build around both of em.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 11:25 AM) I can't wait to see the interview Heads did or is going to do with him. Hopefully it will be up in a week or so. (I'm actually doing it).

QUOTE(NCsoxfan @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 11:39 AM) A Phoenix radio station is reporting a potential deal that would send Kevin Garnett to Phoenix, Amare Stoudemire to Chicago, and a combination of #9 pick, Ben Gordon and/or Tyrus Thomas to Minneapolis. If this happens, I am a VERY happy Bulls fan. Let's cross our fingers. I'd hate to lose Tyrus Thomas but I'd be all about getting Amare in Chicacgo. The only fear I have is the health concerns surrounding Amare. I know he was healthy last year but I also remember reading places that it is inevitable that he will need more surgeries surrounding his initial injury. QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 12:02 PM) I can't believe somebody compared Amare Stoudemire and Tyrus Thomas in this thread. That's like comparing Joey Gathright and Carl Crawford because they are both African-American and fast. They have similar skill sets. I know a lot of people compared Thomas game with Stoudamire's last year around draft time. Its just in terms of production they aren't even close.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 12:44 PM) Are you kidding me? If he can't make the money he has earned during his career last for 5 lifetimes, he has a seriously pathetic financial advisor. Mark's already made, what, $30 million roughly in his career, with another $50-60 coming in this deal, and probably another substantial contract left. He'll be fine, I trust. Who are you and I to say a player should give up an extra 20 million on the open market or 40 million. Yeah, he already has a lot of money but wouldn't you or I take an extra 50,000 (say I make 120K per year and someone offers 170K). I'm damn well entitled to that even if I could obviously still live a solid life on that other salary (and this is being modest). I won't get into politics, but its the same reason I think it is ridiculous to assume that just because someone makes more money they should pay a higher % in taxes as opposed to just the same % everyone else pays based on that same amount of money. You and I would maximize our income and its no different for an athlete. If they take less, more power to them, but I don't think of them any less for taking the best offer.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 11:40 AM) According the Trib the Cubs were willing to eat $6.6 of the $7.2 million left on Jones deal. Heck for $600,000, Jones is an interesting proposition, depending on who the Cubs are interested in prospect wise. That would free up some money to pursue other placers. That deal was a steal for the Marlins. I can't believe no other team was willing to get involved. Interesting to see Zell is who supposedly cancelled the deal. Wouldn't there be some sort of oddness if Jones than went to the Sox for almost nothing (considering Zell is a shareholder in the Sox and is obviously going to keep his interest in the club once the sale with the Tribune goes through and he sells the Cubs).

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 11:48 AM) Yep, and there's precedent for it as well (the nixed A-Rod-to-Red Sox deal). Yep, and there's precedent for it as well (the nixed A-Rod-to-Red Sox deal). That had to do with Arod actually basically giving money back IIRC (making his contract worth less). Buehrle can sign whatever contract he wants as long as there isn't some crazy clause that could get the MLBPA's attention.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 11:19 AM) Well the title and subtitle are kind of confusing here. What's going on? Score announced a potential deal (in principle) at 4 year 50 million (around 50 which is obviously very low). ESPN is saying that there have been no new contract talks (basically saying the Score is wrong).

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 10:12 AM) I thought the Indians had agreed to take ove the Tucson agreement. I know there was some talk, but I thought the Indians were talking about getting a facility in the Goodyear area.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 10:05 AM) And Offman continues to report this as fact. "remember Buehrle said he'd like to spend the rest of his career with the White Sox . . . well he'll be spending at least the next 4 and a half years on the South Side." He has to have some sort of source. He may be off in the terms, but where there is smoke there is usually fire (especially with something this serious). I have to think there are some talks but the Score is potentially jumping the gun as to how close it is (and is probably off a bit on the dollar figure). QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 10:10 AM) /bwoooooop bwooooop bwooooooooop Pardon this interruption: I'm having to reset the server from a foulup this morning, so you'll lose your connection for a couple of minutes. Be right back... /bwoooooooop bwooop bwooooop

QUOTE(29thandPoplar @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 09:52 AM) So, where it stands now is no one believes 670 but people are believing the AM 1000 report? I tend to buy into the idea that there are talks and that the terms being discussed are potentially 4 years. However, I am not sure if the deal is as close to done as the Score indicates nor do I think they are accurate about the dollar portion (however, I could see it being in the upper 50 million's with potential clauses that push it into the 60 mill range). I also buy into Cowley and he indicates there was talks as well.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 09:40 AM) So where do you think Ken Rosenthal was getting his information? I wonder if the same source that said the 99 pct quote over the weekend is the same one starting this today. What was the 99% quote?

4 yrs at 15 per season makes a lot more sense.

QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 08:25 AM) Alright my extreme joy as turned to total concern here...WTF. I know this may be dumb question but any chance KW does a sign and trade to get more for Buehrle? I guarantee you that if Buehrle signs he won't be getting traded.

I am waiting for someone in the Sox camp or multiple media outlets to start reporting this. Levine...get off your ass and back it up. I'd be much more comfortable if that was the case.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 08:11 AM) I was thinking they'd go to 4 years, but raise the price (like how Dodgers did it with Furcal). If 4/50 is true, that's an amazing deal. And FWIW, the information I was talking about was that 3 different minor league scouts reported this morning that they asked their teams specifically about whether or not they should continue to scout players for the possibility of Buehrle being traded, and they were told that they absolutely should, and that the ST article was bogus. Well I don't know how the Gm's would have that much information on the situation (considering how quickly it was going) but obviously the scouts would continue to scout because Buehrle would either sign or eventually make his way back on the market. Just my two cents though.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 08:08 AM) So we are going to get Mark Buehrle for that price? I can't believe it. Kenny Williams has just totally called Buehrle's bluff, big time. I wouldn't say bluff....I think this would be a sign of just how much Mark wants to be in Chicago. I still say there are going to be some concessions made by the White Sox.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 08:07 AM) If it's 4 years, $50M then there have to be some serious incentives and a huge buyout in there somewhere. $12.5M is nothing for a pitcher of Buehrle's caliber. THE DEAL IS DONE!! IT'S DONE IN PRINCIPLE! HANLEY SAYS IT"S DONE. Interesting they didn't even have to go 5. I'm guessing there are going to be some unique clauses involved in it that could make it worth quite a bit.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 08:06 AM) If it's 4 years, $50M then there have to be some serious incentives and a huge buyout in there somewhere. $12.5M is nothing for a pitcher of Buehrle's caliber. Ya, I'd imagine you'd have something like a 15 or 16mill option for the 5th year with a pretty large buyout that increases his guaranteed money to at least 13.5 million per year. Either way I'm holding my breath waiting to see a press release, press conference or the words come out of Buehrle or Kenny's mouth that Mark has signed.

QUOTE(retro1983hat @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 08:02 AM) 4 years $50 million Is this your proposal or what the score said? My guess is if it is just a 4 year deal that there would likely be some sort of 5th year option worth a good size buyout or substantial money. Maybe that is why Buehrle was laughing. Are the Sox waiting to announce it? Holy s***...4 years 50 million would be an absolute bargain. Please be true please be true please be true.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 04:44 AM) We would have to demand a king's ransom in return for PK, who is signed through 2010. Would it be totally outrageous to demand Hughes from the Yankees? Hughes, Tabata, Sanchez, Chamberlain, Kennedy, Betances, Cabrera, Cano...all names that would likely arise. I wouldn't be opposed to a Konerko deal, but I would demand a package starting at Hughes and Cano or Cabrera (and yes I said starting at that). Look what the Orioles repeatedly demanded for Tejada and use that as your starting point essentially. I still think there is a better chance Thome gets moved and I don't even think there is more than a 5% chance that that happens. QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 07:23 AM) I would not be against trading Konerko for prospects at all. He gets paid a lot of money for a lot of years and is likely in decline. He has a .780 OPS this year, isn't that great in the field and plays first base. A competent organization should be able to fill 1B with better production than that for a lot cheaper. Trading PK now would probably be selling low -- he could easliy still have another couple of .850 to .900 OPS years. But to get his salary off the books, I think it might be worth it. But as someone pointed out, Paul advises Williams about what moves to make. So unless he suggested trading himself I doubt anything comes of this. You lost me when you said Paulie isn't that great in the field. He has some of the softest hands of any first baseman in the league. He lacks a bit in the range department but I could count on about one hand guys that I'd rather have at first. QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 06:02 AM) Id trade Konerko for Hughes, Cano and Cabrera. Yep, I'd make that move.