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I don't see how this makes Boras more money, unless he figures the additional revenue generated would lead to larger contracts being dulled out.

His no trade clause is in fact in effect for this season, which is why the squad asked him if he would waive it. Tihs would be very interesting because I think Contreras to the Mets makes the most sense considering how much Minaya appears to be interested in him. I'm personally surprised they would be so willing to go out and acquire another aging starter signed for another few years (especially as they are watching Pedro continue to break down). Still if you could get any one top prospect in a package for Contreras you do it. Whether thats Pelfrey, Gomez, Milledge, etc.

QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Jul 2, 2007 -> 07:28 AM) It said we were interested in both, not asking for both. Why the heck would we ask for more to get Dye than we would Buehrle. I wonder how much validity there is to this rumor. I do think a major deal with Dye/Buehrle both going to the Dodgers is a legitimate possibility and I'd demand a package involving Kemp, Billingsley and Betemeit or a top flight prospect (is Blake Dewitt still looking like a pretty good middle infield prospect?).

Buster Olney was on first take and basically said that every GM in the league are stunned at the White Sox unwillingness to sign Buehrle to the 4yr 56 million dollar deal. He claimed baseball insiders consider it a total bargain, especially considering the contract Zito had as well as other contracts that were given out to pitchers with far less success as Buehrle.

QUOTE(bogie @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 06:06 PM) I'm curious what the forum thinks he can get in the offseason if the Cubs don't end up signing him? Would someone give him Zito money and that many years ( 7 )? Is it a dream thinking the White Sox could put themselves in that mix? He should get Zito money if he wants it. He's also a better pitcher than Zito but unfortunately for Zambrano, Zito's performance this season may scare teams away from giving him quite that fact of a contract. Still, Carlos could very well get the largest contract in baseball history (given to a pitcher).

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 08:42 PM) What maggs said, plus: Chris Carter to A+ Shnur to AA McCulloch to AA Sweeney to the show. Absolutely agree with Bear+Maggs. Those are complete no brainers.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 07:04 PM) I'm a big Boone fan as well but a loogy should never be untouchable. I take a top prospect for either Thornton or Logan. Hell, remember what Ron Villone commanded a few years ago. The bullpen should be "for sale".

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 05:59 PM) http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=660177&type=news There you go. I hope I never see a "you can't trade him because he's on the DL" post again, unless there was some kind of rule change since 2000. Well done. I have one remaining question, was this trade okay because technically he could have been pulled from the 15 day DL (as he had already been on the DL for 15 days at the time of the trade) or would it have been okay if he was placed on the DL a day ago. I assume it would have still been okay regardless of when you were placed on the DL but I was going to see if you knew for sure. Thanks for the info too.

I want Pods to have a healthy 2-3 week stretch before the deadline because I actually think he could get the Sox a quality lower level prospect that could turn into a valuable commodity 2-3 years down the road. Same for Erstad. And if you think I'm crazy, I'm just going to point out that both of these guys would be valuable bench players at the very least to a team that is in contention. I will say the same about Mack.

QUOTE(29thandPoplar @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 06:08 PM) Here is Gregor's article, it says 2011 - http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/whitesox.asp I was told it goes by years of service, not a rolling clock (days). A full credited year of major league service is 178 days. It would be worth getting clarification from an expert though, seeing as there is confusion on the matter. I am 99% positive that it is a rolling clock. That is unless things changed over the past year or two because I remember teams trying to move a guy earlier than the deadline in order to prevent the 10/5 rights that would be invoked by the time the official trade deadline occurred. Andruw Jones is someone who had this scenario happen to him mid-season.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 07:04 PM) Some people act like it's good business for the Sox to suck the next 2-3 or more years. You think the owners of the team are going to want to be horses*** while rebuilding? You try to put the best team out there every year. Trading Jenks would be moronic. There would be no closer and just another reason to lose more games. I'm just saying the worse thing the club could do is act as if it could sure fire compete and get caught in in between mode as that would eventually result in a long term losing period (I'm talking 5-10 years if you are lucky) as opposed to a 2 year rebuilding period if everything is done correctly. And you never know, the team could get competitive before hand. I also think it depends on what Kenny is thinking. I'd love to save this team but its going to be hard to do with as weak of a minor league system as the Sox have (as the only way super realistic way this team can compete is to go out and trade some guys for talent and than go on a signing spree this off-season but the problem is this club isn't going to go on a signing spree that would give the Sox a payroll similar to that of Boston/New York).

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 05:44 PM) The Sox are probably going into re-build mode with or without Jenks on the team. A few have already brought it up, but what do you need a All-Star closer for if you have nothing to close out? Jenks obviously won't have any sort of Buehrle type value, but his value is very high to a playoff team in need to a stopper. It's too bad Detroit and Cleveland are both in the division. There are also health concerns. Every Spring it seems Bobby shows up bigger and bigger to camp, only to cut weight in March and early April. The Sox have lucked out of late, but the weight, the hip, and the pin in his elbow all are serious concerns. With all that said, you only trade Jenks if you get a package that you can't say no to, but with the way this team is headed, Jenks shouldn't be untouchable. Tony...Jenks is going to have twice the value Buehrle has. He's signed to an insanely affordable contract and will be under the team who acquires him's control for a couple more years. Cleveland, Detroit, Atlanta could all use significant upgrades at the closer position (albeit the Sox probably would think twice about dealing with a divisional foe). Heck, despite Saito kicking ass for the Dodgers I could very well see them consider making a significant upgrade at the back of there pen. s***, just look at the ridiculous value a guy like Ugueth Urbina got a couple years back (and Jenks is an upper echelon closer while Urbina was a FA to be and not an upper echelon closer at that time). The only people I think could potentially have more value than Jenks are Paul Konerko (maybe Jon Garland/Javier Vazquez but I consider those two to be big question-marks) and all of those individuals have more value than Buehrle on the trade front (we could argue Buehrle is the best player but the others are all signed to affordable deals and would not construe as rentals).

Not the brightest comment to say but hell for the most part its accurate. Either way, as long as he keeps getting outs I could care less if he called every poster on Soxtalk idiots

Wow...so the past 2 weeks I've been swimming 3-4 days a week and holy s*** is swimming tiring. I can run 3-5 miles a couple days a week without problem or play a full soccer game (1 and a half hour game with a halftime break) perfectly fine but I am dead after swimming about 10-12 laps (each lap being down and back). On the bright side I've increased from the initial 4-5 laps that I could do. I should note that I am a horrific swimmer and this is the first time I've swam in god knows how long. And did I mention my new found respect for swimmers.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 05:29 PM) Umm since as long as I've been watching baseball. I don't remember the era where you could trade a guy on the DL. Ya, I know some teams will do it as a PTBNL and than once the player comes off the DL they are officially swapped but you can not actually trade a guy that is on the DL.

Because how much value is a closer to a rebuilding team? I consider the closer one of the last pieces you really need (and by closer I mean a true shutdown closer, ala Jenks/Rivera/Hoffman/Krod) and the type of piece that you usually can find in relatively short notice. I mean to a rebuilding team wouldn't it be better to get a Salm (best catching prospect in baseball) and Escboar (very very good SS prospect whose major league ready) at the very least for Jenks (plus I think you can get Devine or someone else) from a team like the Braves. Ie you get a catcher and SS for the next 5-10 years for a closer (someone who is not going to be the key piece to your rebuilding at least not early on).

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 03:41 PM) Link? There's a Buster Olney quote from last year re Andruw Jones, which said his 10-5 rights would kick in on Aug 15 or 16 -- exactly 10 years after his debut. And I've heard a couple times in the press that Buehrle's 10-5 rights would commence in the middle of the season. I believe the .078 would mean 78 days (and 170-some constitutes a full year, per the CBA), not 7.8% of a season. That would mean he would cross the 10-year mark in the middle of 2010. Where does it say the rights don't begin until the next season? Contrary to popular belief, 10 and 5 rights DO kick in the middle of the season and Buehrle will become eligible for those 10 and 5 rights at some point during the 2010 season.

QUOTE(danman31 @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 03:35 PM) I guess no one expected Buehrle or Garland to make it but they are both having stud years. Ya, they have both been stronger, imo, than they were in the world series seasons. Kind of stinks too. Hell, the ptiching staff has a sub 3.5 ERA over the past 5 weeks (most of which were losses). And by pitching staff I mean rotation....I don't call the pen pitchers (aside from Bobby, Logan and Thornton).

QUOTE(daa84 @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 02:38 PM) looks like floyd really struggled with command today...6 BB in 5 IP isnt so good, he did K 6 and only gave up 3 hits and 2 runs....but youd like to see his walks decrease He was due for a bad game, yet he still was able to battle through and give up just 2 runs. The old Gavin Floyd would have given up 6 or 7 runs and went 2-3 innings so I think we are seeing the type of strides he is making because he can battle even when he isn't at his best.

QUOTE(MurcieOne @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 12:21 PM) Jason how do you project Sweeney now? Does he still grade out high to you? or does Sweeney = Murton + Speed + Fieldind - Ugliness? I like Murton, but I still think Sweeney projects to be at worse a league average player. At his finest I think he turns into a Garret Anderson. The key is whether he will get more aggressive when it comes to turning on the inside pitches and from what I've heard he's been doing a much better job of that since being sent back down 3-4 weeks ago. I definitely don't think he's the best prospect in baseball but I still like his long term upside. (not more than Chris Young but he's still the best our system has...which doesn't necessarily say much).

I saw DieHard last night and I must say that was the best die hard movie yet. Freaking fantastic. Just exactly what I like when I go to a movie expecting to see an action movie. It was just an all around entertaining action flick that left me wide awake when the movie ended around 2 AM. I definitely recommend it.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 12:16 PM) If they didn't start Floyd today, it could be a sign that something is imminent and they'd need Floyd to come up and start. They wouldn't have messed things up. Masset would probably start in a pinch. I think the Sox have learned that they've screwed up way too many times in the past when it comes to calling up guys and having them on f***ed up rest that they will just continue as is until a move is made and at that point they'll work the rookie into a better situation (or so I hope).

Great AB by Paulie. Can we finally get Sweeney up here for good.

I'm watching the Cards game...holy s***, Percy came in and was throwing 94. Oh and Homer Bailey got lit up again.

QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 11:46 AM) He has been traded. I got this from an unnamed source outside of the organization who is familiar with the situation. Are you serious?