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FutureSox.com will be interviewing RHP Gavin Floyd of the Charlotte Knights. Floyd had been pitching very strongly as of late for the Charlotte Knights and could be the man the Sox turn to if Buehrle or another starter is dealt. Please post your questions here and I will do my best to get all of them answered by Gavin

I still think he may do both. Sell some guys for prospects he thinks can help now or in the near future, as well as sell some prospects that he isn't as high on for major league position players that can help us now and in the future.

Collaspo is very over-rated too. Not interested in him. Billingsley is likely to enter the Dodgers rotation though.

QUOTE(WHITESOXRANDY @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 10:51 AM) I doubt very highly that Mark signs an extension with the Mets forgoing his only shot at free agency in the prime of his career and also not giving the Cardinals any chance to sign him. However, if him signing an ext. with the Mets brings the Sox Pelfrey, Milledge and Humber then I hope to hell he does. Without the ext., I think the Sox would be lucky to get 1 of their outfielders and 1 of their pitchers. That would be a good deal for the Sox. I doubt that the Sox include Dye because they most likely do better splitting them up and raiding 2 farm systems. I'd rather give the Dodgers Dye and Iguchi for Billingsley if we could get it. And, I'd rather have Pelfrey than Humber. I'd also rather have Gomez or Martinez than Milledge. But, if the Sox can end up with 2 elite pitching prospects and 1 elite outfield prospect for these 2 it would be great. What could they get for Iguchi ? Has anyone heard anything ? Any speculation on what he could bring back ? When you go back historically and look at some of the big name pitchers dealt at this time of the year, you would expect to get two top prospects and one very good prospect. This deal would be pretty much on par with that.

I would have zero problem with that type of deal. In fact I'd be pretty thrilled.

Agreed, only as part of an irish car bomb is it a tasty drink (on its on...terrible).

Awesome episode.

RIP

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 10:03 AM) Jose is up to a 4.80 ERA, 1.45 WHIP and isn't striking anyone out. He's believed to be atleast over 40 years of age but no one really knows for sure, his stuff has deteriorated at a shocking rate since he's now throwing exclusively in the high 80's with no strikeout pitch that he can throw for a strike and he's guaranteed $20M over the next 2 seasons. If he doesn't finish this year off strong it could be REAL tough to move him this offseason without eating any of the contract. I agree with you that it would be tough to move him this off-season if he struggles the rest of this year. But right now I still think he's moveable and thats why they need to get him to agree to waive his no trade clause and make a deal.

QUOTE(Wedge @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 09:28 AM) Untradeable contracts like the one they gave Contreras which makes him... untradeable? I clearly don't think Conteras contract is as unmoveable as some of you all think it is. Freddy was abl eto get moved, Javier Vazquez was moved multiple times, Chan Ho Park, etc....you can bet your ass the club could move Contreras and get something if they wanted to (although it would be nice if he had a couple good starts).

Masset needs exactly what he's finally getting, some consistent use. It really is unfair to put too much on his shoulders considering how ineffectively Guillen has used him (with him often times sitting around for a week at a time). That said, Masset needs to step up but I want him at the major leauge level and throwing a lot (otherwise send him down to AAA and have him starting so he can continue to develop cause he has a very nice repetoire of pitches).

QUOTE(29thandPoplar @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 08:52 AM) Great discussion here, excellent posts by both Addison and Tony. The brain trust will not give this ship much more time to sail and I suspect they know full well it has run aground. There are lots of rumors out there though, and expect many more. Which means the Yes We Are Open sign is up for trade business. I like what Williams says when he comments hey, if we don't get exactly what we want we'll ride this thing out and take draft picks if these guys leave. Which means they are valuing what they might get in trade vs. 1st or supplemental round picks. Part of me wonders if these comments are something the Sox can use for leverage and that is why they were publicly released. With them out there, Kenny can act as if he's still gunning for this thing and that will give him additional leverage in trade talks. I still wouldn't be shocked if Kenny did some selling, but also did some buying (ie pick up guys that he thinks will help the Sox for last year...kind of like what he's done sometimes in years past).

The Sox are going to probably stand pat until the break, so we'll get to see what happens. If they find themselves at .500 they'll consider buying and if they are still floundering we will quickly see the fire sale happen.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 18, 2007 -> 06:33 PM) There's a reason the Phillies thought they'd completely ripped us off with the Garcia deal and it isn't because they thought Gio was a load of crap (although I'm not sure they exactly coveted him after his year). There's a reason nobody else ever picked him up, either, and as for you saying, "No GM would consider a top 5 draft pick who was a top 10 prospect in the game 2 years ago with no injuries a bust" that's not true. Gillick thought so and I'm sure there are plenty of other people who think so. The consensus was, "Floyd is a bust" through much of baseball until KW picked him up and I still think he's not good. I know I'm not alone, either, and I'll call him a bust until he proves otherwise. Oh, and as for your numbers -- how selective. 28.1 good IP in 2004. 2004? What about his horrible, horrible run last year? His AAA numbers this year are all right but it's his fourth time in AAA and he's in the terrible IL. I'm not impressed. For what it's worth, I don't think he's ready yet and I know I'm not alone. There are other people here who've said it's not a good idea to bring him up just yet. Give him some time to get used to his success this year. I look forward to his starts for the White Sox, whenever they come, because I want to know whether or not I was right or wrong. I think I know, but I want to know for sure. Why thank you. Just cause a GM trades a player doesn't mean he doesn't like a player or has given up on the player. The Sox traded Miguel Olivo and Chris Young, two guys Ken Williams absolutely LOVED (not because they were garbage in his eyes). The Phils made that move because what they thought they were getting in Freddy Garcia, not because of Gio Gonzalez and Gavin Floyd. And you really are off the rocker if you think teams would have passed up on the opportunity of getting Gavin Floyd (some franchises would have valued him more highly than others, but all would have gladly taken a chance on him).

QUOTE(29thandPoplar @ Jun 18, 2007 -> 07:17 PM) I'm not sure why it's a surprise they're doing nothing for now. I too wish they would do something. They have expressed faith in this group all along and it is not a surprise they want to see what a full lineup would do together vs. below .500 teams up to the ASB (except Minn. right before). Not suggesting their approach is correct. But they have said the same mantra all along. Then again it all depends how one defines doing nothing. GM's and asst. GM's and scouts dont just turn off their phones. Williams has a well known rep for being aggressive and its for a reason. That he is not consumating trades at the moment doesn't necessarily equate with doing nothing. Even a small move like the addition of the Arizona farmhand indicates they are, at the very least, planning. After the ASB there are 19 days til the deadline. Plenty of time to get things done. You run the risk of course of something happening to your tradeable players but it can go the other way too (more frenzied market). This is one of the things that makes this sport great. Fantastic post.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jun 18, 2007 -> 04:33 PM) What a f***in game so far f***ing garbage, UCI guy leans into the pitch and it grazes his jersey What a tough way to lose. Titans had enough opportunities though and they couldn't take advantage of it. I'll be pulling for the Anteaters to make some noise and make the big west proud.

Ya, the Angels are really regretting that pick up. I boo his ass every game I attend and will be doing so again on Wednesday.

Come on Titans. Find a way to win this thing. Game is now headed into the Bottom of the 13th (UCI is batting).

Geeze...there is barely anyone out there that is less than 30. Hell, after looking at that list, I'm even more convinced this squad needs to deal some of its older veterans to get star young prospects and let those guys develop and than go out and sign some other aging veterans on to fill some holes (guys like Shawn Green to one year deals, maybe go after a guy like Luis Castillo for one of the top spots in the lineup..and than obviously make a push for one of the big name centerfielders). Would you guys be opposed to moving Dye, Contreras and/or Buehrle, Iguchi, and another player or two (AJ or Thome) if it enabled the Sox to get some young position players and starting pitchers (one being a SS for sure). Than with the money saved in the various trades (probably also move Pods/Erstad/Uribe in smaller deals, although I'd probably hold off on Uribe) sign one of Ichiro/Hunter/Jones plus Shawn Green (with Sweeney taking the other outfield spot and than another young player that may have been acquired subbing in and getting Ab's as well). Than you sign Luis Castillo at 2B with one of the middle infield prospects playing SS and obviously Konerko at first and Josh Fields at 3rd (Crede would get ab's eventually once healthy, but only with a plan of dealing him off for additional prospects and cash savings). Yes, it would be old, but at the same time you are getting guys that would likely sign short term deals (sans the Ichiro/Hunter/Jones talk) and would help fill a lineup (but you'd also have young players being meshed in, plus a young rotation). Ichiro Castillo Thome (Prefer to trade him myself) Konerko Green Fields (YOUNG PLAYER) AJP Sweeney (YOUNG PLAYER) SS Prospect (YOUNG PLAYER) Again, pretty rough draft idea, but I would have no problem targeting some of the names I mentioned during Free Agency.

Count me in. Buy Low (if the Cubs are really kind of giving up on him).

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 18, 2007 -> 08:47 AM) "We just might be dumb enough to win this thing". Embarrassed would be a better word to describe upper mgmt's feelings rather than pissed. Jerry apologized on the charter before it took off from John Wayne. A Sox staffer had them printed. I remember they were playing the Angels when that deal was made and I cursed up a storm before the game and actually rooted for the Angels. It was the only time I ever recall rooting against the White Sox.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 09:45 PM) Dye and Contreras for Betemit, Billingsley and Clayton Kershaw. Kershaw is now the Dodgers top rated pitching spect with Elbert having surgery. LHP, has a 7-2, 1.89 ERA record. He has given up 1HR in 62IP (that's Eggy like), and has a 82/33 K/BB ratio. This saves you about $15M in salary, and you use that money to re-sign Buehrle. But if you can't use Contreras, substitute Buehrle, and also ask for Chin Lung Hu to be included into the deal. Nah, you got to package Contreras in that deal. I wouldn't package Buehrle in a deal unless you are getting Betemeit, Ethier, Billingsley, Kershaw and Kemp (and no way do the Dodgers make that deal or at least I doubt they do). The key is, deal Contreras and Dye and than see what you can get for Iguchi, Uribe and whoever else in secondary deals (potentially Vazquez although I have no problem holding onto him, unless of course the Mets or some other team wow you with an offer). See if you get Thome to agree to a deal and talk with the Angels. Bottom line, reup with Buehrle, extend Garland....sign a few free agents but also use the money to re-up guys you do like and obviously spend some of it on scouting, etc.

I would absolutely be thrilled if the Sox could pull a Billingsley, Betemeit, additional Prospect (Loney or Ethier or another highly touted prospect) for Contreras, Dye and Brian Anderson (or if they want Iguchi they can have Iguchi) plus cash considerations (if necessary). Clearly the Sox may have to take some sort of contract off the Dodgers hands (or give the Dodgers cash and even then its a big if, unless Dye continues to really dominate and we get a couple fantastic starts out of Jose). Consider it one of my dream deals.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 07:40 PM) Betemit has played some short and from what I've read, he can hold his own at the position. At this point Richar just doesn't strike me as a starter caliber player especially for next season, more of an Ozuna type. Betemeit was initially a top rated shortstop in the Braves system. He continued to bulk up and was eventually moved to 3rd base. I think he projects more as a second baseman because he doesn't have the typical corner infielders power. However, he can still play 3rd and 2b and obviously SS in a pinch (albeit he wouldn't be near as good as Uribe over there defensively nor would I consider him average). That said I can't remember seeing him play SS too often so maybe he'd be better than I think he would be. I would love to get his bat though and I don't see why the Dodgers wouldn't give him up (the question is whether they'd part with Billingsley). I also don't think Betemeit has as much value as some indicate (via trade) and because of it if Colletti is at all down on Billingsley (which could be a possibility) you may be able to get a 3rd part to this deal (either way I'd be happy with those two guys).

The Sox can deal Jose without picking up any of his contract (pretty damn sure they could).