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Josh Fields...yes.

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 01:30 PM) This f***in blows!!!!!!! Whoah...if the Red Sox throw some cash the Sox way and the deal enables the club to get Bucholtz, Ellsburry or someone else plus Willy Mo than I'd bite at the deal. With the Sox obviously taking Julio Lugo as well and Boston getting Juan Uribe or Tadahito.

3 errros...yeah.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 12:49 PM) Yeah you could debate whether he should have brought in Masset to face Kubel, as 8-4 is still reasonable and that Grand Slam seemed inevitable if Jon was left in, but this is on Jon realistically. If he just fields his position like usualy, it's only 7-4 right now too, as bad as he was. He was still horrid, but you are right...if he makes those plays it wouldn't have been as bad, just like if the defense stepped up earlier you may have had a run or two less. Still, in the end, Jon got hit hard. And the Twins are continuing to hit up even after Jon is out.

Well...Bulls get Noc back and I have absolutely no problem with that.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 12:48 PM) You're right about Extra Innings (if only I could sell back all the cr@ppy games this year ), but I though you had to buy mlbtv by the month. That may be it, but I think thats only like 8 or 9 bucks a month which isn't horrible.

QUOTE(G&T @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 12:43 PM) Well that's fine, but I don't see why Ozzie should be blamed when Garland has a terrible outing and it's best to keep the pen ready for tonight's game with Floyd pitching. I never blamed Ozzie. I just said Jon didn't have it, plain and simple.

QUOTE(ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 12:41 PM) I hadnt heard anything about this. Could you expand at all on it? But, if true its not surprising b/c Jon and MB are very close and they pretty much have been in Chicago together most of their careers Its in the Tribune's blog but Buehrle didn't say it necessarily meant he was out the door...rather he doesn't know what will happen and he wanted to get things cleaned out just in case.

QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 12:39 PM) I am planning on seeing whether our cable company here lets you pay for one game in the MLB Extra Innings They won't. YOu can just buy one game on mlb.tv though. Or at least I think you can.

QUOTE(G&T @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 12:35 PM) No, Garland needed to have a good outing in case Floyd sucks tonight. Masset should have been saved to back him up but that obviously won't happen. Hawk did need to shut up, he was saying how this is a bigger series for the Sox than the Twins. Thats just BS, because the Twins are actually playing for something. The only series this is big for on the Sox is the guys that are potentially going to get dealt and the youngsters because I want the youngsters to play well and the guys that are about to be traded to play as good as possible to increase trade value.

QUOTE(joesaiditstrue @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 12:32 PM) i hope this post doesn't go unnoticed, as i'm really curious what is wrong with jon today? seriously is he tipping his pitches as well as simply not getting his other pitches over for strikes? something is clearly different today Just not his day. When you rely on control and mixing your pitches you are going to have those days where you just get smacked around. It happens more so with sinker type pitchers because they are taught to pitch to the contact and when they just don't have the command they are gonna be in trouble because they don't have the upper 90's stuff or the ridiculous hook to semi get away with things. Jon just has to forget about this one cause he's been superb all season long.

QUOTE(ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 12:29 PM) I'm not watching. How is he bad? Is he up in the zone? Missing his spots? Sinker not moving? Plus he had a comebacker that would have got him out of the jam (a hard hit ball, but one Jon turns a DP on 9 out of 10 times) but he didn't cleanly field it and it turned into an infield single. I say that cause I think Jon is the best fielding pitcher in the AL.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 12:20 PM) If I had a bazillion dollars. It would be both, but in reality either one would help us out a lot. Ichiro or Hunter makes this team a lot better. Ichiro gives us a true leadoff hitter. He gives us everything that makes this team better. His arm is a cannon, and he has good defensive instincts. Hunter has great instincts. He also plays the game the right way. He always plays hard nosed. His bat is hit or miss. This year is a great year. He has some pop in his bat. I like what you are thinking there though. I would throw my money at Ichiro or Hunter and it makes this team better. Both of them give us something we dont have. Ichiro would be a fantastic option as well, but I question whether he'll actually leave Seattle and if he does whether Kenny could convince him that the Sox are still capable of winning in the immediate future (which is what Ichiro is going to be interested). Wow...Jon just doesn't have it today. I give him credit for trying, but he's just got to forget all about this one.

QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 12:20 PM) I didn't see this but didn't look too hard either. Its from the Suntimes. Says Ichiro atop the Sox wish list. http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/wh...soxip06.article I'd be very happy if those were part of the plans. Based on that it sounds like it would be Jose and Javier that are dealt. However, I want to be very clear that if the Sox deal Javier they better intend on giving Garland an extension.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 12:16 PM) Dye forgot he lost 5 steps of his speed since last year. Was Razor waving him?

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 12:12 PM) The amazing thing about Hunter is his instincts of the crack of the bat. He gets back to the fence, and makes the jump. We have had good defensive guys like Rowand and Anderson, but neither one of those guys had the instincts Hunter has. Hunter is one of the greatest I've ever seen. He just makes everything look ridiculously easy. Plus he has a fantastic attitude and fits in nicely at the 5 or 6 spot of the lineup. He isn't quite what Jermaine was for the Sox last season but he can be a similar type of player, especially when you would factor in the type of hole he would be filling in CF. Plus, with his pop in CF, you could get away with having Sweeney's lack of pop in LF and could than go with a guy like Kemp in RF (and let him develop). Utilize the 2nd/SS spots for the 1-2 spots in the lineup, use Konerko at 1st, DH Crede, move Thome and let Fields play 3rd. It may not be a pretty offense, but for the most part it would have some speed, some vets, and if Konerko/Crede/Hunter do good you have enough pop in the middle (plus Fields) although it is obviously a righty dominated lineup. And you still have AJ's lefty bat and hopefully good speed at the top of the order. Mix that with a rotation that still has at least 2 of Garland/Buehrle/Vaz and you can still compete, imo. If you still have all three of those guys in the rotation than you can clearly compete, imo.

Paulie....come on Jermaine, get a double so we can score both of the slowsters.

Holy s***...Hunter is good. I know he's getting older but I'd still absolutely love to have this guy in CF (especially if the club can get some good young outfielders to have around him and keep most of the rotation in tact). Because as long as you can keep the rotation in tact for the most part, you can compete next season (pitching staffs this good have chances to win).

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 12:03 PM) Its the Marlins template offense that Ozzie is after. One speedy guy up top, ala Pierre. Owens seems to be that guy for Ozzie. I would rather have Sweeney up and learning now instead of having Owens out there. Let Andy Gonzales bat first, let Sweeney bat second and rinse and repeat for the rest of the season. I think maybe Ozzie is sending a message to Kenny. I could be wrong, but Ozzie wants a speed guy and he's going to tell Kenny either get me a good one or I'll just trot out a s***ty guy that can run (and yes I'm being overly harsh on Owens but its the truth). Sweeney needs to play cause aside from Fields he is the only position guy that has a chance at being a major league regular (well at least in AAA right now). Oh and Richar obviously has a chance.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 12:02 PM) Judy was afraid of hitters, this is just a case of everything he throws up there is right down the middle and getting crushed. I'm curious how long we stick with him, as I think we can score quite a few runs on Baker and win this game, but Garland obviously isn't going to do anything resembling go deep into this game unless we let him give up about a dozen runs. No reason to pull him. This is just going to be one of those games Jon needs to battle and get innings cause he'll probably give up a zillion runs but the innings are more important. Maybe he can get his release point at somepoint and not make things any worse.

Toby did a freaking horrible job. Owens wouldn't be bad if his bat speed wasn't so ridiculously slow. Why the f*** Sweeney isn't up here and playing every day is beyond me. I understood with Pods up that the Sox were behooved to play Pods as much as possible hoping you could get him some trade value but Owens isn't the answer. Hall needs to just have his surgery and hope he can play next year. I respect him like no other for toughing it out, but the Sox are toast anyway so get healthy and be ready to play the next two years. Garland has just been bad today, but sometimes that happens.

QUOTE(spiderman @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 10:36 AM) Don't mean to question you, but I didn't think the option was for the season, I think it's the number of times a player can be sent back to the minors. Can this be confirmed by someone ? An option is good for the entire baseball season. So he can go back and forth for the rest of the year.

The rotation would be awful. But I wouldn't mind the lineup. I also wantto point out that there is no way I'd have Howie Kendrick on a bench anywhere. That guy is going to win batting titles. As far as my lineup I can't throw out predictions yet...gotta see what happens with Buehrle.

QUOTE(GreenSox @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 05:15 AM) I think MacDougal would be a fair comparison for a Thornton trade. We sent two live arms to KC. They were A ball arms, so you don't know how they'll mature. The price was fair; just wish MacDougal was better. One was A ball, the other, Lumsden was a AA arm IIRC.

QUOTE(29thandPoplar @ Jul 6, 2007 -> 08:29 AM) Having spent a lot of time in Tucson the one thing I can tell you about Rauch is he had a big league attitude and a low A ball work ethic. The top prospect thing went to his head, he had trouble with coaches and teammates. Right or wrong, those types of guys tend to get less rope. Rauch was a guy that was not liked by many. I won't get more in depth than that, but there were a lot of people celebrating when he left the org. I never heard anyone say a nice thing about Rauch the person.