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QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 10:02 AM) How it gets there is the entire debate here. You've said the Rangers pay the team Alex is playing for. So would there be new negotiations between the Rangers and that new team, or would the new team have to accept the terms that the Yankees and Rangers agreed to? Its already been agreed upon. A portion of Arod's contract is paid by the Rangers each season. So now when the White Sox negotiate, they are basically talking about roughly 16 mill per year and at that point they can try and negotiate with the Yanks to include some more cash towards the deal. But the Rangers will be paying a few mill per year (whatever was originally agreed upon when the first trade was made) of Arod's contract with the Sox/Yanks or whoever picking up the 16 mill.

QUOTE(He_Gawn @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 06:03 PM) And what about USC? And Tennessee had the same kinda game we did, and they jumped us... Then theres Florida, who didnt even play, who also jumped us. Exactly Albeit it I think Florida is hands down a better team than ND. I think Florida is the 3rd best team in the country. But Tennessee is not better.

MLB rules make any large sum of money to be tied specifically to a player and that sum will follow a player. Otherwise certain teams (or owners) could completely profitize the business and just sell off players for cash and make tons of profits and just pocket them while the team goes to hell.

I just want to point out MLB is in the business of giving guaranteed contracts. Arod could not play another game because of injury yet he'd still get paid.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 09:48 PM) A Milledge-Anderson-Dye outfield would also be among the most dynamic in baseball if Brian takes the bat out of his ass. just oozing with potential, but growing pains for sure. It would be on different than any fantasy team you've ever had where you take a bunch of young players with potential and go on to finish in the cellar (or apparently kind of how you run your DPPL team or whatever its called). Yes, it would be great if we were rebuilding, but this team should not have rebuilding on its mind and I find it ridiculous how so many people are talking about such. Yes we may have to swing some deals cause we could lose some guys, but this is a 100 mill payroll team we are talking about (and we'll see payroll in that range) so we have a lot of options. I'd still deal Thome/Contreras and find a way to get Arod (or Tejada) and go from there but thats just me. Cause I think both Thome/Contreras have nowhere to go but down and it could happen relatively fast (yet they still have what I'd consider considerable trade value).

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 02:58 PM) Here's the question I have for folks here: how comfortable are we with a quasi-rookie leadoff hitter/LF next year? (Stick Milledge next to Anderson and suddenly we have a great defensive outfield, with potentially a ton of speed and good power in LF) I'll pass. If we land Milledge, BA should be on the block or coming off the bench. Milledge should fit in nicely in the 9 spot. He'd give us like an extra leadoff hitter, especially after the lineup has gone one way through. That 9-1-2 of Millege-Speedy Leadoff Guy-Guchi would be pretty solid.

He's far more charasmatic and has a far superior chance of becoming president than Hillary does.

QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 02:20 PM) Or the same. Or let's just nit pick for no good stupid ass reason. Yep, It will at the very least be the same. The Yanks could obviously throw in additional cash to make Arod more lucrative on the trade market (but that is all up to negotiations between the Yanks and whoever there trade partner is).

QUOTE(xxx @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 02:05 PM) yeah, there is a realistic way. Dump Garcia/Vazquez, insert McCarthy, and hope that if the SP sucks again, Kenny won't hesitate to make a move. There is absolutely no reason to dump Vaz, imo.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 10:40 AM) There still aren't many rotations in baseball that I'd trade ours with going into next season. I'm fairly confident Mark will be back, Jon I'm not so sure about, his 06 season is too much like 01-04 for me to have confidence in him. You know how I feel about Brandon and as much as Vaz pissed me off last year, it did seem like he turned a corner and can at least be a solid starter for us next season. Contreras to me is the most interesting pitcher we have right now, if he's completely healthy I believe he's one of the best pitchers in baseball. On the other hand can you count on a 300 year old pitcher to be completely healthy? And we saw this year how he's a completely different pitcher even when he's a bit banged up. Freddy I just want gone, split finger or not I have absolutely 0 confidence in him. I think this is the first baseball related topic we've completely disagreed on. LOL I'm still kind of stunned. I hate Freddy for a lot of things but I think he more than anyone was absolutely gassed from being lazy in the off-season (not a good excuse I know) and it hurt his velocity. Mix in a potential regain in velocity (even if it is just 2 MPH) with his new found splitter, a much much improved changeup and his already solid curve ball and I think you have the makings of something real real good (if he at least partially regains velocity). The thing I cringe at is the idea of his deliberate, slow delivery that allows the entire world to steal off him at all times. Thats the main reason I'd be willing to move Garcia but only if we get something good in return. I think we get more for Contreras and I got a lot more question-marks when it comes to him (mainly because I have little faith in his health). Still I think as a whole we both agree on the fact that this rotation isn't near as bad as many people say it is. Yes it sucked this year, but players have off years and statistically speaking our guys are better than they produced.

I actually have a lot of faith of most of our guys coming back and I wouldn't cringe if we kept our 5 guys. The only reason I'm for moving one of the guys (and only one of them, preferably Contreras or Buehrle) is because of the value I think we could get for them (that could help us fill a couple other wholes while giving us front line talent) and that it opens up a spot for McCarthy who is capable and deserves to be our 5th guy. Aside from that I would not deal Garland/Vaz. Count is so old I wouldn't be against it if we got some top notch stuff in return and well Buerhle could be a tough resign so I don't have a problem with that. As far as Freddy goes, I'd move him if we got value for him or were able to make that Arod trade, although I think he's going to rebound quite nicely.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 10:08 AM) Along that vein, I was wondering is this a recycling of the same story, or is it someone actually doing a little research? Nightengale is one of the best in the biz and he has a ton of contacts in Chicago from his days of working the Sox beat.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 12:03 AM) It's great news that they got it done and we have 5 more years of peace, but the only reason it did get done is the owners pussied out and put no HGH language in there as well as minimal changes to the caste system esque payroll chart in the game. The game is getting better, and more teams can win, but just imagine even how many more teams would be in it with a real shot at winning it all if the payroll spending was an even field? Judging by the moves some of those teams make I really don't think some of them would win anything regardless of whether they were the highest salaried teams in the league. Obviously there were other things that would have been nice, but I'll take 5 more years without a strike myself. They can continue to negotiate the other things on the side knowing that regardless of what happens in that sense you'll still have baseball. A world wide draft would have absolutely no chance of success. Sure it sounds cool, but the logistics of it are near impossible. Especially when you consider some of those players that would be eligible are professionals in other leagues (especially Japan) and those professionals are not going to want to come here and get drafted and have no say on there contract or team they go to. They are leaving one major league for another major league and have the right to options and some say. As far as draft pick slotting, technically MLB has suggested slot prices and by and large the MLB draft works very well when it comes to salary. In the late 90's there was a short run with ridiculous contracts but right now they are very in control as opposed to the NFL and almost as good as the NBA and considering all the rounds in the MLB draft they do an absolutely outstanding job. A salary floor/ceiling will absolutely never work. IF they went after that idea we'd be enjoying a spring of no baseball a year from now and probably would miss at the minimum one full season of baseball, maybe more. QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 06:34 AM) My thought exactly. It's good pub for the average fan, and I'm glad we'll have unimpeded MLB through 2011, but nothing got done here at all. But I'm sure the next commish, Andy MacPhail, will get this stuff done (and I'm not kidding about who the new commish will be, just watch. The Cub resignation is all part of that plan). And even with all that said, I am interested to see what exactly turns out to be done with comp picks for lost FA's. Not sure why they'd mess with that, as it's part of the increase in competitive balance, but hey, baseball isn't exactly the smartest group of people. The problem is under the current system it was the high payroll teams that were getting the extra draft picks (think of when the White Sox lost a good size group of FA's and we had a ton of 1st/2nd round picks even though we had a league avg to above avg payroll). The Yanks/BoSox have been in similar boats at times as well. Very few of the lower payroll teams are getting extra draft picks so really the system tends to just give one high payroll team extra picks while another high payroll team loses the picks (that would be the high payroll team that is losing a player it probably just acquired at the deadline from some crappy team).

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 08:14 AM) But NY is under no obligation to pass that money on if they trade Arod. Technically, IIRC, they are under the obligation to do so. The money was linked to Arod's contract and there were some specific clauses when they made the original trade. I know there are cases where the money doesn't have to come, but a good chunk of the time the money sticks with the player (often times because it has to). If its going to take 10-12 per year over 4 years to lock up Crede than I'm starting to be willing to make this deal, but I wouldn't be making it for Arod to go back to SS, instead I'd make it and try to acquire a SS using Fields as bait. Maybe swing some sort of deal with Fields for a Maicer Itzuris (with us getting more in return, potentially one of there catcher's).

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 23, 2006 -> 10:58 PM) Like first overall in the draft Ya, which is exactly why either way it was a serious oversight by the organization. If we thought they wouldn't take him, well they must not have paid much attention since he was the top guy and teams were fighting to trade for him and if we thought he didn't have value well shame on us because obviously he did have value (at least trade value) and we could have got a valuable chip or two for our system.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Oct 23, 2006 -> 03:31 PM) If you know where Ft. Irwin is that's where I'll be from Friday up until the day before Thanksgiving. Wow, your out in the middle of nowhere. I was just through that area a month ago. Balta, what do you think of Owens Valley ever getting its water back. I saw an article about them still fighting just recently since you LA people stole it all

Congrats Tony. Thats super sweet. You going to be writing?

Hadzus is down for the season. Wow, what a 2 game stretch.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Oct 23, 2006 -> 12:18 PM) Drew Tate out vs. N.Ill. Might as well start getting our future guys some rep's. Tate has been hurt all season and its cost us a few games (well that and a good chunk of the rest of the team being hurt). That game against IU really hurt cause we would have been locks for 2 to 3 losses (depending on the Wiscy game) and a Jan 1st bowl game (even in a very down year).

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 23, 2006 -> 02:06 PM) Thanks for giving me a brutal flashback. We're together on this one. Oh god, Steve had to remind us all of that crap.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Oct 23, 2006 -> 10:01 AM) ^^^^ Definitely no flowers. And I also think Steff's suggestion of a fast dinner is really good too, plus Applebee's usually has a game on, so that could ease any awkward. Just be straightforward and honest, that way all expectations will be clear. And if stuff goes good at dinner, make a bit of a move during the movie. I don't know how you want to take things, but obviously start with the lame arm around the shoulder (if she's not interested she'll let you know and its no biggie) and if it is she'll move closer to you and you'll now know that she likes you in "that" way and you can procede accordingly.

QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 22, 2006 -> 07:34 AM) Well, baseball was kind of forced to add the Wild card. With the league expanding they absolutely could not keep it at 2 divisions per league. There needed to be 3 and a "bye week" in baseball is way too long for a team to have off. It wouldnt be fare to the bye team. I don't know if it was a forced issue, at the time it was heavily debated and baseball purists everywhere we screaming murder.

Didn't Frank Thomas say after they were down 3-0 that they were going to try and win it for Macha (that doesn't seem like something you'd say if the vast majority of the players were against Macha). It sounded like Bradley (what a shock) and Melhouse had some problems but that was about it.

I can't believe this isn't getting more pub. This is absolutely fantastic news. Its great for the PR of baseball (5 more years without a labor stoppage) and is obviously great for us fans.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Oct 23, 2006 -> 01:22 PM) I don't know why you'd say AJ doesn't deserve better than a C. Look around baseball. There aren't many better hitters at the catcher position. I don't know his stolen base stats as to how well he threw guys out. Is he still respectable there? Anybody know? But judging from some of his key bombs which should have sparked this team big time but didn't, I think he deserves the A minus; B plus type grade. My bullpen grades were basically Cs. I thought Jenks deserved an A because of his great save totals. Those other guys I thought were average at best. I guess MacD mighta deserved a B- in my mind but not much better than that. AJ was a good hitter, but defensively there were some serious issues.