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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 02:31 PM) Going forward huh? SO you see next year Hart being the top RB in the big ten? I don't. Albert Young and Calhoun will each be better. Minny still has depth at RB despite losing Maroney and there system is very strong when it comes to rushing the ball. Josh has a Michigan hard on and over-rates anyone that played for the Big Blue. Although he does underrate Henne since he blames him for everything. Look at how long it took Brady Quinn, its rare to see young QB's come in and excel at a very high level from the get go.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 02:16 PM) I don't think Sutton is better and Maroney=He Gone. Sutton has a problem with fumbling the ball. He is an explosive runner but I don't think he is as proven as Hart. Maroney was the best in 05 but he entered the draft. Mike Hart when he was healthy gained 626 yards in 5 games. He is an impact player. He also hasn't fumbled the ball in like 363 rushing attempts. Albert Young is as good of a college running back as Hart. Just look at the numbers he put up. And no I don't think Albert Young is a great running back. Just saying Hart isn't this special back you make him out to be. I also agree that Calhoun, among others in the big 10, are better RB's.

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 01:34 PM) Yah but personally I think Calhoun is the best RB Wisconsin has had in the last 7 years, and that includes Dayne, Bennet, and Anthony Davis. I also would say that Sutton and Maroney are better than Hart. Maroney and Barber both were better than Hart. Josh over-rates anyone that plays for Michigan.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 12:36 PM) Yeah like Jas said, Bull=Jim Bullard. I think Baj's only other nickname is his screenname "manhands". Thats correct. There are a few others that are registered here and a couple that have made a couple posts, but those are the two well known ones. Cotts, Haig, Heath, Bmac and some others are other registered members on this site (although neither of them post much).

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 12:47 PM) I don't think you can discount it at all. It was 1st team vs 1st team. Record's mean nothing in pre-season, in any sport at that. And you also can't say "Well, their offense wasn't in gear." They didnt get any less practice or game-time than any other team. If you compare situations, then the Colts were "rusty" in the pre-season and you could onyl expect them to be "rusty" in the post-season after they havent played a real game in 3, soon to be 4, weeks. I don't think you can discount any head-to-head meetings. Every freaking team beat the Colts. It means jack. Just like our poor spring training record this year meant jack and if anyone based there predictions on how our starters looked against other starters (not just pitching, all the way around) you'd have picked us to finish with Detroit and KC.

Cool found 355 bucks worth of stuff for my dad in Ca.

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 12:05 PM) The Bull is Bajenaru, right? Jim Bullard

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 11:53 AM) Agreed that the Church's rules about contraception are silly in some ways, but most of the Catholics I know use them anyway. And, as I said, it's not like the Catholic Church has their own secret police who survey that goings-on in bedrooms in Africa. Africa's problem isn't one of birth control. It's one of behavior. If women were treated like human beings over there, rather than possessions and sexual objects, the HIV epidemic would be much less severe. I agree completely with you. Whats going on in Africa is totally disgusting and insane but it doesn't stem over missionaires over there. It stems with there beliefs and behaviors which are downright deplorable if you ask me. Women have absolutely zero say and can't even imply to use contraception and if the husband finds out they used some sort of contraception they will likely be beaten and potentially murdered. All this the husband is out there cheating at will and even if the wife is loyal she still has a good shot at getting HIV. There is a lot wrong in Africa but the Catholic church is not it. Could they do things better, sure, I think they'd be smart to sometimes adjust things when things change around the world (ie birth control is developed and it can protect things for those that don't follow the rules of being abstinent till marriage). However you should do what morally write and tell people if they are going to have sex they should be smart and protect themselves. Africa is a total mess and its a situation I don't see being solved in a long time. The men over there run around like savages and the women are essentially left helpless only to eventually get HIV and die. Its sad and pathetic.

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 11:34 AM) I bash people who proclaim to be the moral font for the world (i.e. the Catholic Church) when they've got some of the bloodiest hands on the planet. Thats like still blaming the US and Europe and everyone else still for the slave trade. Religion in general has led to more deaths and more wars than any other cause. Its not right, the crusades weren't right. That said, in more recent times, Religion has done far more good than bad. You can't tell me about what something as old as organized religion did a few hundred years ago to base how you judge them, but you base it on what they've done more recently and more recently for the most part they've done a lot of good. Like anything there has been some bad things, but when you are talking about a group as large as the catholic church or any major religion for that matter, your going to have those small minorities of people that have done wrong and created harm. Was the catholic church wrong in how they handled all the pedophiles. Your damn right they were and they still are. They need to come out and admit the problem and take care of the problem. That said to bunch them all up as doing no good and being pedophiles is completely ridiculous. But to go on and ignore the good things churches have done would be ignorant. I'm not a religious person but I do take offense to those that actually slam the concept of religion and the fact that in general if society based things off the 10 commandments or most major religious doctrines and beliefs, that our world would be a far better place. The problem is you have those groups that take things to the extremes. I can't speak for much but my aunt happens to be a minister and I've seen all the good she's done for people in her church and the community in which the church is in. They don't just help out christians they help people that are in need and for that I commend her and the church.

I just want to add to what Southsider said here. We are working on figuring out just what exactly the lines are on this forum. Obviously we created this forum and you all were going to have more rope. We don't monitor this forum much and there will obviously be times where you see something you totally hate and disagree with and eventually you'll have to walk away from it and ignore it and move on to another discussion. Thats just a fact of life in the filabuster. Where we stand on this forum, what are the limits, we don't exactly know. However, there are two ways we can go with this: 1. We can get more strict and tone things down which could essentially take away from the point of this forum (which was to encourage all out debate and at times people may go totally off the deep end; and while that comment may be totally wrong in most of our opinions or overly harsh it could in fact stirr up quite a bit of other side debate and intelligent debate). 2.We could keep things very loose and essentially keep this a free-reign forum. The obvious pro is that pretty much all discussion is allowed (aside from porn) or anything that would get this site or an indvidual in trouble but at the same time you will have the occasional comment or topic that totally goes against what you stand for (whether religious beliefs, politcial beliefs, or on what you feel is the proper sexual orienatation). Whether you guys like to admit it or not, there isn't a middle ground on this issue/forum because once we start going in and modding it turns back into a cesspool and it will basically further prove the original point I had when I essentially dumped political topics (the fact that people can't ignore their own personal agenda's for 2 seconds instead of listen, respond and end it at that; All too many times people take it too far and obviously that happens but in this new forum you all can do what you all, which is basically what you wanted in the first place.

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 12:31 PM) I tried (and obviously failed) to open it back up. So much for writing first thing in the morning. I've been trying to splice out some of the argument thread that caused SS2K to close it & then re-open. LCR wanted to splice out some of the heat and reopen the thread for the valid discussion in it. That was his attempt. It wasn't to get the last word in.

QUOTE(Spiff @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 07:59 AM) That doesn't solve anything; you're paying for 8 and only getting what, 7 1/2 tops?! As a side, has anyone else noticed that a cheeseburger costs 99 cents at McDonalds but a double costs a dollar? The logic of this operation is far beyond my comprehension. I You

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 10:38 AM) Whatever. I don't have any affiliation whatsoever with with Leinart or USC. I don't think he did anything out of line at all. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm with ya Yas and I freaking hate USC. I may be in the LA basin but I hate all that has to do with LA. I hate that freaking place. Only one team I'll semi root for in LA and thats the Bruins (only in football too). Yet I slammed the Bruins all year cause i thought they were over-rated, lol.

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 10:32 AM) Thats a nice thing to do, but its a bit like a friend saying nice things to your face and then talking crap about you behind it. Everyone knew USC was favored in the game, and probably should have won. So I feel that the comment was redundant and unnecessary. He has said how Texas played a great game. At the same time he's telling his guys that he thinks they are a good team. Thats his job to talk up his team and not one guy on his team would tell you that Leinart is a smug arrogant bastard. The guy was their leader.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 10:02 AM) Carroll and Bush are class.....Leinart is your typical spoiled ass rich OC kid. Ummm...his family isn't rich. Carson Palmer came from a very wealthy area in Orange County. I dont' know much about Leinart's, but he didn't grow up in the best part of Orange County. He did go to a good prep school in Mater Dei but I'd assume he got some benefits and probably a scholarship based on his athletical ability. You guys just ignore the fact he went in and congratulated the Texas players. So what, he thinks his team is better, there are probably a lot of people that still feel that way. Things have happened where the better team lost. I think if these two teams matched up 10 times I think it would be pretty much split down the middle with Texas and USC each winning 5. Texas won the game that counted. Have you guys ever played sports and been in a game where your team lost when you know you should have won? I know I have plenty of times and it pisses you off because you know in your heart there is no excuse for you losing. At other times I'v been on the losing end of games where I think to myself we could never beat this team. I've also been on the winning end of games where we totally were overmatched talent wise, but got up early and were able to take advantage of unusual miscues. Point is, Leinart is saying what I'm sure plenty of people have felt. My guess is Miami players felt the same way when they lost to OSU.

Its funny, everyone who knocked Leinart for bieng classless didn't make one comment about how him and Bush went and congratulated the Texas players and one Vince Young on the way they played. Or how Pete Carrol went over and congratulated Mack Brown after the game. I hate USC, but they are a classy team.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 05:46 AM) Just a thought after that game... Where does that TE from Texas rate...Thomas I think his name was? Is he a possibility for the Bears? He played really good. I haven't heard him talked about and I know he isn't one of the top draft candidates. Since I don't follow Texas enough i got no clue whether he's a senior or not. One thing for certain, the guy showed pretty good hands and he was a great safety valve for Vince Young. Fasano (ND) is another guy thats not in the top 3 but will be a 1st day TE selection. This year there are quiet a few good TE's, which is why part of me leans to drafting a Olineman or CB in the 1st round and taking care of TE in the 2nd round (Cause I think Fasano and some others are pretty good and the dropoff in talent isn't as great as it would be with a CB or olineman). That said, if some guy really slides down the draft board I got no problem nabbing best available (as long as it isn't RB). If it is a RB or QB dropping down the board, I'd hope a team used us to move up and we could drop down and cumulate a few more selections to add depth.

Colts most of the time. However, given an outdoor field in extreme conditions, I'd say the Bears would have a good shot.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 09:25 PM) Young still staying after this game? Doubt it. I doubt it too, but than again I felt the same way about Leinart. I still think he was an idiot for staying and Young would be an idiot to stay as well. Both will be top 10 picks and get a whole lot of money. Take the green while you can cause you never know what could happen.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 03:40 PM) I hope we have the NFL draft thing again like last year. Taht was kinda fun, and I remember I was pretty damn high on Sean Taylor...heh... Oh we will. Hopefully Addy is still down with running it.

All I can say is amazing game. Definately on my list as one of the best games I've ever seen in college football. The OSU-Miami national championship game of a few years ago is also on my short list. In a game that meant so much, this one lived up to all the hype and than some. Both teams proved to me that they were two of the best college football has ever seen (not the best, but in that category). Just a totally awesome game to watch. What made it better was seeing all the USC fans at the bar I watched the game at go home quiet.

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 09:35 PM) Exactly, could we see the next Ryan Leaf? I'm guessing not that extreme but I don't think he'll have that great of a career and he obviously has a super ego. Where the heck do you guys get comparing Leinart to Leaf. Leinart has zero attitude. Sure he thinks his team is the best in the country. I don't fault him for that. They know they had opportunities to win this game, just like Texas did, in the end Texas did enough. Both teams are amazingly good and are hands down the 2 best teams in the country, imo, and two of the best teams I've seen in college football.

QUOTE(Spiff @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 09:33 PM) Eh, I think Lendale leaves too. 100 yards and 3 TD's, his stock will be pretty high. He'll also be the best of the group when it comes to pro's. Lendale is going to be a horse of a running back. Give him the ball 25-30 times a game, use some play action, have a good defense. He'll fit in great with a team like the Steelers (not that they need a running back, just that sort of style) or say the Eagles.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 01:23 PM) I am. And I'll add that they are idiots as well. Agreed. Too many people listen to everyone else instead of themselves. There are no quick fixes in life and if your a strong enough individual you won't be so worried about what other people thing (especially if your confident in yourself).

QUOTE(bmags @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 11:32 AM) he's also never played in the cell for 80 games... um...i guess its an alrite trade, but i would like to know what "top pitching prospect is" Camden is a hitters park as well.