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QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 31, 2005 -> 12:35 PM) A bit OT.. what is Furcal's status..? FA, looking to command a contract in the neihborhood of 8-11 million and If I were to guess, he'll get something like a 4yr 40 mill deal (basically Jimmy Rollins type numbers). The Cubs are going to be hot after Furcal and Damon (don't know if they'd be willing to sign both, but the Cubs are going to make it a priority to get at least one of them).

I think Giles has to be the #1 FA target of the Sox. He's a left handed bat whose done nothing but hit and get on base his entire career. A 3 yr 24 mill deal with some incentives would be pretty fair if you ask me. His numbers could warrant bigger pay, but it doesn't seem like that many people are overly interested in him (although this is a bit premature since the FA period has yet to start). The other nice thing about Giles is that he can play all 3 outfield positions solidly and thats a nice feature.

Carl will be in a place like Tampa.

About 3 feet in the air.

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QUOTE(IITsox @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 03:25 PM) Manny in left, Rowand in right, Podsednik moves to center. For those who belive Podsednik would butcher center, his 2003 and 2004 fielding statistics show that he actually played better in center in Milwakee than in left in Chicago. Also, his fielding percentages in Milwaukee are nearly identical to Rowand's fielding percentage in 2005. Fielding % means nothing. Rowand gets to way more balls than Pods would ever get to in CF. Pods isn't anything more than an average LF (at that) and would be a poor CFer. By the way, welcome aboard

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 03:00 PM) 7th Heaven. With the Camdens.

Also, for those that say Damon would be a bad #3 hitter, I totally disagree. He may not hit for a lot of power, but he finds gaps and is a great hitter. I'd have no problem with him in the 3 spot. If the Sox dealt Aaron in a package for someone else, I'd have zero problem going after Damon (problem is I think the Cubs or someone else will overpay). Stick him in the 3 spot and find a way to get Manny to DH in the 4 spot and you aren't too bad. Basicall you have 3 small ballers at the top of the order (kind of like the late 90's indians who had Lofton, Vizquel and Robbie Alomar before turning over to the likes of Thome/Manny) and than you turn the order over to Manny and Jermaine Dye, AJ, etc. I just don't see the Sox making major changes this off-season. Of course it could happen. Personally I think the biggest change you could see is Manny or a bat of his caliber in as a DH and Paulie being brought back. At most you could see them bring in two bats (one to replace Paulie who left) and another to replace Thomas/Everett. Brian Giles is definately the type of guy that would be a solid fit though.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 01:25 PM) If the Sox replaced Konerko with a viable replacement -- such as Manny -- the fanbase, IMO, wouldn't be in arms. If we're going to be built around pitching and defense, why not market it? It seems pretty simple to market one of the majors best pitching prospects entering next year's rotation, under the wings of guys like Buehrle and Garland, along with diversity of guys like Pierzynski, Iguchi, and Uribe. Then again, the marketing department is what I'm worried least about. Winning Markets itself, imo.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 01:10 PM) Which is why you offer the package I quoted earlier in the thread. Rowand, Marte, Duque. -- Rowand can easily be replaced, both offensively and defensively, by Brian Anderson. Marte is as good as gone anyway, why not use him to get Manny?. Cotts proved we don't need him. Duque is a league average pitcher, who can throw from the pen(where boston needs help) or the backend of the rotation. Those are three players who essentially are easily replacable from the White Sox perspective. You're not losing anything. Except Salary. Oh, and it's a nice chunk of change too. Rowand $3.25, Marte 2.25, and Duque 4.5+. -- $10M is a lot. If Boston doesn't want to got for it. Fine, but those three are the first 3 players to go from the current team. They are the most easily replaceable. Use them to fill your weakness (LHed bat, DH, and 1b?) through some other team. And Boston would make that deal. They'd love to have Rowand roaming in CF and he's the blue collar type player that Red Sox fans would love (they love Nixon and he's a similar type player in terms of grittiness). Mix that with Marte being able to help there pen and Duque can give them some leadership and be there 5th starter. The Red Sox aren't going to get a Chris Young type prospect unless they shell out quite a bit of cash. The Sox lose those 3 guys, get Manny and like you point out finacially we aren't adding all that much. Plus the club has opened up spots for two of its top young players (Brian Anderson and Brandon McCarthy) and they still have the financial resources to resign Konerko or opt to find a left handed 1st baseman to replace him. Than you go and add another reliever and maybe sign a swingman/4th outfielder (who can pitch in if something happens with Anderson).

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 12:56 PM) This is why Kenny and Reinsdorf are in a hole. The average fan doesn't care about stats, they care about their fan favorites. Trust me...average fan and anyone for that matter has to know that Manny >>> Paulie. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. You can't even compare the two. Manny is quite possibly the greatest run producer to ever play the game (he's an RBI machine).

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 12:43 PM) exactly, and it is almost inevitable that that is what they will do. good post. Mark my words...Boston will not get much for Manny. Most inside of baseball know Boston wants him gone and they are going to move him this off-season. 90% sure of that and Boston wants to move his entire contract (without eating much of it) and with that being the case they best thing they can hope for is 1 good prospect and a couple filler type prospects. Thats at least whats being talked about and rumored out here (Angels are pretty interested).

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 12:30 PM) Dye is a better outfielder than Ramirez, but if Ramirez replacing Dye makes the outfield the worst in baseball, than last years outfield defensively was one of the worst five in baseball anyways. Podsednik would be the worse right fielder in baseball and Manny is one of the worse left fielders in baseball. You'd have Rowand and two terrible outfielders. They would be one of the worse outfields out there. No doubt about it. Manny would only be a DH with the Sox. Nothing more, nothing less.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 12:23 PM) You are probably right though, Garland would most likely have to be involved. It's a little odd to consider, but how much is Manny overpayed? Everyone here keeps referencing that he's overpayed. Well okay, he's making 20 million dollars, he's a superior player to Konerko who people are throwing 15+ at. I would say he's making only 3-5 million more than he's worth. What do you think? Ya right. Sox aren't going to give up any of their main chips for a shot at Manny. All the talk out here is that Anaheim would have to part with one of their prospects and eat 80% of the contract and they could have Manny. The Mets want Manny bad but it doesn't seem like Boston wants to pay part of Manny's contract and take on Cameron's contract as well.

QUOTE(wilmot825 @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 09:57 AM) Reports out of Bean-town is that Manny wants out again...Surprised....Unconfirmed teams are; Cleveland, LA Angles, and The Chicago White Sox. Kenny Williams is a smart man, we know that. He will be wise and not trade for this cancer,not hearted, idiot from Boston. ONCE AGAIN NOT CONFIRMED...READ IT ONLINE, DON"T KNOW HOW MUCH TRUTH IS THERE I'd make the deal in a heartbeat...a heartbeat. At most you have to give up one good prospect. I'd give up someone not named Chris Young, McCarthy or Brian Anderson as well as El Duque and than get Manny and cash in return. At this point it appears all Boston wants to do is make a change and Manny would look absolutely awesome in the middle of this order. The guy may have a few issues, but he flat out produces and can play DH (I don't know if he has anything against being a DH) for the Sox while ocassionally playing left field (just to give Pods a rest). If the Sox miss out on Konerko, than I'd be all for acquiring Manny and than trying to find a left handed bat at 1st (at a lesser price) and getting Manny to be the middle of the order presence.

What Kalapse said. From what I was told, there should be some panaromic ones from the world series up shortly.

Congrats QP and best of luck. May "BRAIN" and you be happy for the rest of your lives.

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Oct 28, 2005 -> 11:53 AM) Not sure if this is old news... http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news;_ylt=Al...ov=ap&type=lgns Good, he'll have a couple years in lockup to learn his lesson. What a prick.

QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 08:18 AM) What the hell kind of uniforms are Miami wearing against UNC? Ugly ones...kind of like the way they are playing. They look freaking terrible.

QUOTE(sayitaintso @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 09:17 AM) He's not bad, but the idea that someone said to have him play RF is just insane. No, he obviously can't play RF. In fact, right now I don't really like him in CF. He doesn't have quite as good of range as he once had. All that said, he's one of the best hitters in the AL (average wise) and still has good speed and is a smart player. He's better than our starting left fielder (Podsednik). That said, Pods makes a whole lot less.

Good stuff.

Damon is a good player, but the Sox have there top of the order and while I think Damon is better than a lot of you guys give him credit to be (since everyone seems dead set against him). I think the Sox have bigger needs (ie, the middle of the lineup and #1 resigning Paulie and #2 finding a productive DH).

Out here and in the trib the most I've seen is 5yr 65 mill, but anything can happen. It will be interesting to see, cause if the Angels go after Manny and land him, that will mean its between Boston and the Sox.

If it comes down to a 5yr 60 mill deal and a 5yr 63 mill deal from Anaheim or Boston, I think he'll be coming back to Chicago. Now if he gets a 6yr 75 mill offer and the Sox are at 5yr 60-65, than I'm guessing he'll go elsewhere.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 28, 2005 -> 11:02 AM) LOL it's not like they can count em Jas... I just have one question..."Where's Waldo"